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This debate is currently brewing in Australia, except its against providing services to mining companies. When is right / wrong to boycott? And who should be allowed to? (Persons or companies) Context: in Australia the prime minister (Scott Morrison) is looking into laws to ban boycotts by companies (who are being compelled by people / public opinion)

Think about refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals. How is this any different?

Legally its different because sexuality is protected so you may not discriminate based on it. How that list is chosen is somewhat arbitrary however.

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This debate is currently brewing in Australia, except its against providing services to mining companies. When is right / wrong to boycott? And who should be allowed to? (Persons or companies) Context: in Australia the prime minister (Scott Morrison) is looking into laws to ban boycotts by companies (who are being compelled by people / public opinion)

Think about refusing to bake a cake for homosexuals. How is this any different?

Companies != individuals.

Companies do not (and should not, IMO) fall under the protection of discrimination.

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17 years ago, my business partners and I were approached by a porn website looking to get their website redone. (We didn't take the job, but it was an interesting meeting.) He said that his biggest problem was "refunds".

It seems it was a common thing for people to buy his service (access to porn), and then a few days later claim to the credit card company that it was an unauthorized charge.

He told a story of an irate wife calling him on the phone one day and demanding the charge be taken off her husband's credit card bill. She was insistent that there was "no way" her husband would sign up for a porn website. Well of course he did (or was it their son?). But he couldn't admit it to his wife. And so she called the office of the porn website to complain.

I'm sure that hasn't changed 17 years later. Credit card chargebacks must still be a huge problem.

Chargebacks make it a customer service nightmare. One of the highest refund rates that credit cards get, the highest incidence of actual fraud (charges that really weren't authorized), undisclosed recurring charges, etc.

Still, cutting off service to the models seems unfair. But refusing to deal with the websites themselves actually has underlying business reasons other than morality.

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Ethereum uses a variant of GHOST, which is why they get away with 15-second block times. https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper#modified-g... Ethereum's PoS is currently implemented in seven independent and fully interoperating clients. Multi-client testnet should roll out soon, and production is expected first quarter 2020.

Even if the block time can be lower, ethereum supports a comically low amount of transactions per second. https://ethstats.net/ 9943589 (gas limit) / 21000 (minimum price of a ethereum transaction) / 14.57 (average block time) = 32.5 transactions per second.

What's your point, exactly? My initial comment was that ETH is faster (15tx/s vs 3-5tx/s) than BTC and that layer1 scaling solutions for ETH are probably coming soon.

Everyone that has replied to you is just providing more info than I did.

And your response is "ethereum's transactions per second are comically low right now"?

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Porn is ripe with human trafficking and its consumption is violently destructive to individuals and relationships. Source: http://yourbrainonporn.com/ In the future, when people stop acting so ignorant, it'll be categorized as a threat to society in corrupting objective, rational and clear thinking. Everything in extremes is bad, even freedom.

Are you here just to troll?

No, GP is surprisingly correct, and I’m actually kinda surprised that HN just jumped right to downvotes. But I guess I shouldn’t be. When you attack someone’s heart they writhe in pain. Calling cigarettes “adult pacifiers” for example will really offend someone who is enslaved by cigarettes, even though it’s true. Pointing out the danger and seriousness of today’s horrible porn epidemic will do nothing in a crowd of people enslaved to unchastity in any of its forms except incite their futile wrath. Which is sad, because it’s supposed to help them realize they’re enslaved. Maybe for some it will, and they’ll ask Jesus to ransom them. I applaud you GP, God bless you.

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Yes, unless many of those other restaurants also discriminate in the same way (which can be treated as an exclusionary cartel). Keep in mind that our modern anti-discrimination laws were passed at a time where that was demonstrably the case. And I'm not at all sure that it wouldn't also be the case if the anti-discrimination laws were repealed today. My point, rather, is that the purpose of those laws, and really any…

I think even if only a few restaurants in town discriminated against a racial minority, harm would be done. Being excluded from everyday activities because of something like race is inherently harmful, no matter how many other options you have.

How far does it go, though?

Our present laws, for example, allow for organizations with private membership (e.g. churches, but also private clubs and similar) to discriminate more or less arbitrarily on their membership criteria, and then offer services exclusively to the members. It's only public services and offerings that are required to be non-discriminatory. Should we get rid of this arrangement?

Should this be expanded into the private sphere? Everyday activities include talking and otherwise interacting with private people, not just buying goods. If somebody decides to refuse to, say, greet people on the basis of their race or religion, should we consider such behavior inherently harmful, and prohibit it by law?

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Sex was bought and sold long before capitalism, though. And I don't even mean prostitution, although that one is obvious. But in traditional patriarchal societies, brides are often effectively bought and sold, and sex is a part of that package. The difference is whether the benefactor is the woman herself, or somebody else. In a very cynical sense, in a traditional society, women are "capital" of a very special kind…

Agreed. And I think a large fraction of men (the ones who naturally suck at seducing women to begin with), if given the means to both reproduce and achieve sexual gratification WITHOUT women, would leap at the opportunity. Women recognize this, which is why they so heavily resist things like sex robots or even male contraception. Jango Fett from Star Wars Episode 2 was an archetypal MGTOW and ahead of his time: cloni…

Women most certainly don't resist male contraception. On the contrary, women are usually the ones who have to keep reminding men to do it, or to use more reliable methods. For fairly obvious reasons: women are the ones who have to deal with far more serious consequences of unprotected sex.

And as for robots... consider the relative popularity of mechanical aids such as vibrators for women, and for men. I'd say that women have embraced sex robots a long time ago.

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It's not a moral choice. It's a case of the business is not worth the hassle. KYC rules mean the bank is on the hook if they are found to harbor ill gotten gains and the sex industry had a some troubles in the past, while not producing enough volume on an individual level to make it worthwhile for a bank to overlook things.

>found to harbor ill gotten gains Ah yeah like they were on the hook for laundering Mexican drug cartel money?

Or the human trafficking?

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10 minutes is nothing. A wire transfer can take hours. A bank transfer can take days. A wire transfer might cost you 20 bucks as well. Bitcoin is amazing at transferring large sums of money quickly, internationally, for a low overhead cost. It's extremely useful for a lot of people.

Where in the world would a wire transfer cost 20 bucks? It's practically free here unless you do something that makes the bank do extra work.

International transfers?

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But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you. Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.

You can use an ATM (or localbitcoins) to cash out Bitcoin without any connection to your bank account. Bitcoin doesn't have to be ubiquitous to use it even today, you just have to find businesses that accept Bitcoin. A buddy of mine accepts rent from a tenant in Bitcoin. There are exchanges to buy gift cards or Amazon credits with Bitcoin which you can use in real life to buy food. You can realistically go about your…

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