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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Geee » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 4:57 AM UTC

codexon wrote: post #402

kadoban wrote: post #387

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That does not sound correct on the lightning network. I cannot find any reason it would allow someone to run off with your funds. Can you explain the attack?

In order to use the lightning network, you are making a smart contract on the normal slow bitcoin ledger with another party. You need to insert a pre-determined amount of money into this system to be able to spend it. Most consumers will not want to do this because they don't know who they will be buying from and don't know how much they are going to spend. If they decide they want to buy from random website Z one da…

It doesn't work that way. If Coinbase operates a Lightning node, you simply open a channel to their node, from your Lightning wallet. You don't give Coinbase your money.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 4:59 AM UTC

em-bee wrote: post #460

wincy wrote: post #441

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Profiling isn't illegal unless it's profiling against a protected class, right? It's like how I can't get cheap life insurance because I took antidepressants like seven years ago during a rough patch in my life.

profiling is illegal when the service is necessary to live. in germany for example, it is illegal to deny someone access to things like a phone line, electricity or water. (that is, even if you don't pay your bills, they are not allowed to turn of your service. instead, if they want the money, they have to sue you) i believe at this point, access to a bank account is also included in this. as things progress, more th…

That’s not related to profiling.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:02 AM UTC

baroffoos wrote: post #400

RileyJames wrote: post #377

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This debate is currently brewing in Australia, except its against providing services to mining companies. When is right / wrong to boycott? And who should be allowed to? (Persons or companies) Context: in Australia the prime minister (Scott Morrison) is looking into laws to ban boycotts by companies (who are being compelled by people / public opinion)

Thats a really good counter point and I can't think of any way the situations are different other than my morals saying working for pornhub is ok but trashing the planet is not. Of course thats totally subjective and someone could be of the opinion that working for pornhub is not ok.

Mining != trashing the planet. Also, given that there is literally no alternative to mining, how do your morals allow you to support mining companies by using their products?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by topmonk » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

mikekchar wrote: post #389

codexon wrote: post #345

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Bitcoin (and all other cryptocoins) are just not usable for mass transactions. Buying anything with bitcoin takes over 10 minutes, often times over an hour for shops that are paranoid and require 3+ confirmations. During the peak bubble time, I remember buying something with bitcoin taking 2 hours!! This technical problem has not been solved and the "lightning network" just turns exchanges like Coinbase into a bank o…

Thanks for writing this. It's the first time I've understood a "lightning won't solve scaling problems" argument. If you need a payment processor to process your payments, then you might as well use a payment processor in an existing fiat currency... It's a fair point.

You've been misled...

Edit: Here is an example of a lightning network enabled wallet that works as a lightning node itself. No payment processor needed: https://lightning-wallet.com

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by CapricornNoble » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

int_19h wrote: post #206

x220 wrote: post #188

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Pornography is a symptom of the commodification of sex, much like legal prostitution, sugar-daddies, and even the transactional swiping hookup apps that dominate dating among lower age groups. It is the tendency of a capital-dominated culture to turn everything into a commodity that is bought and sold; sex is merely one element that this system has consumed. After the wide acceptance of the birth control pill, the tr…

Sex was bought and sold long before capitalism, though. And I don't even mean prostitution, although that one is obvious. But in traditional patriarchal societies, brides are often effectively bought and sold, and sex is a part of that package. The difference is whether the benefactor is the woman herself, or somebody else. In a very cynical sense, in a traditional society, women are "capital" of a very special kind…

Agreed. And I think a large fraction of men (the ones who naturally suck at seducing women to begin with), if given the means to both reproduce and achieve sexual gratification WITHOUT women, would leap at the opportunity. Women recognize this, which is why they so heavily resist things like sex robots or even male contraception.

Jango Fett from Star Wars Episode 2 was an archetypal MGTOW and ahead of his time: cloning himself and investing all of his resources in transferring his accumulated life experience and knowledge to his "son"....no resource-sharing woman involved.

Personally I consider that a very dystopian potential future....

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by yunesj » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

I'm surprised that people suddenly think that banks aren't greedy enough to profit from the porn industry!

Maybe the reason PayPal and so many other companies won't service adult industries is that there are laws that put them within arms reach of criminal liability?

On a related note, this reminds me of Operation Choke Point (2013-2017), where the DOJ harassed banks that did business with customers in legal, but "undesirable", industries [1].

[1] https://cei.org/blog/operation-choke-point-targets-porn-and-...

[2] https://reason.com/2014/04/28/doj-operation-chokepoint-and-p...

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by kortilla » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:03 AM UTC

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #438

thaumasiotes wrote: post #384

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> Who could possibly threaten a bank over handling financial transactions for sex workers? The government. They do it right out in the open. > And what could they possibly threaten the bank with? Shutting down the bank.

How do they do this in the open? The bank isn't doing anything illegal.

Until they find out they’ve been banking for a prostitute and KYC kicks in.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by hippich » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:04 AM UTC

baumy wrote: post #162

errantspark wrote: post #128

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> I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing. I'd love to see your thoughts on this expanded. I don't have a particularly rigorously formed opinion on this, but my gut disagrees. I'd settle for some links to articles/etc. that reflect your viewpoint.

Not OP, but my gut agrees with his. Very tricky issue and I don't think anyone can say who is "right", so I fall back to one universal principle to inform my opinion here, as well as a general societal observation. The principle: moderation is almost always best. This applies to food and exercise, to work/life balance, to sex and drugs, and everything in between. Pornography consumption generally does not represent "…

> Pornography consumption generally does not represent "moderation" of sex

What about couples with different libido (and functioning well otherwise). What about people who can't find a couple. What about people from any LGBTQ minority (and especially in countries where it is way less liberal/legal than USA?). I hate myself for saying that, but I think that particular phrase above is a symptom of a privileged position, since following "investing time into building a relationship" sounds quite similar to "why you just don't stop doing crime/drugs/alcohol and go to college", "why you just don't stop eat and do some runs instead".

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by Geee » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:05 AM UTC

codexon wrote: post #436

trixie_ wrote: post #421

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10 minutes is nothing. A wire transfer can take hours. A bank transfer can take days. A wire transfer might cost you 20 bucks as well. Bitcoin is amazing at transferring large sums of money quickly, internationally, for a low overhead cost. It's extremely useful for a lot of people.

A lot of merchants ask for 3+ confirmations, and sometimes 1 confirmation can even take 20 minutes. Paypal and credit cards take seconds. And $20 for a wire transfer pales in comparison to the fees people charge for converting bitcoin to cash https://localbitcoins.com/ Yes transferring large sums of money internationally is useful, but it is a niche, and bitcoin doesn't even do it that cheaply.

Bitcoin transactions are instant. You get the 0-conf transaction instantly and are able to buy stuff. The 30 minutes for 3 confirmations are basically the 'chargeback' time, which is about 2 weeks with credit cards. In day-to-day business, people usually trust 0-conf transactions, or are able to handle the chargeback.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by baroffoos » Fri, Nov 15, 2019, 5:14 AM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #463

baroffoos wrote: post #400

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Thats a really good counter point and I can't think of any way the situations are different other than my morals saying working for pornhub is ok but trashing the planet is not. Of course thats totally subjective and someone could be of the opinion that working for pornhub is not ok.

Mining != trashing the planet. Also, given that there is literally no alternative to mining, how do your morals allow you to support mining companies by using their products?

The coal mines in Australia are totally unnecessary. Australia is one of the best countries in the world for the ability to be powered on renewable energy. Which is now cheaper than coal. Literally the only purpose for coal in Australia is political reasons now.

Yes I know coal is used for the production of other materials but there is more than enough coal currently being mined for steel. We just need to stop senselessly burning it when there is limitless energy raining down on empty desert.