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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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>"... is a private company and it is their right to refuse service to anyone" >"Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences" >"en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope_fallacy" Nothing is out of the order.

Just because something is legal, doesn't mean it's necessarily neutral. We can still argue this development being negative, for reasons unrelated to "freedom of speech".

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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The answer to all of your questions is..."Are you a platform?" [0] If so, you must accept, by law, all customers/participants/users without prejudice or discrimination, and you may only deny or limit service to same after a written order from a court of law instructing you to do so. Furthermore, this rule supersedes any Terms of Service that a company may wish to enforce. That's not what we have in the US today —but…

Eh, I would be wary of that definition, even though I am totally in support of platforms not being allowed to get rid of content that isn't illegal. There should be way more nuance than what your definition provides. For example, if I host a very popular forum for discussing cars that somehow manages to exceed 1% of the population of the country it is offered in, I feel like I would be totally justified to remove pos…

The 1% rule is for the US. If you want a higher % for your own country, knock yourself out. It's the principle of the thing that matters anyway, not the exact % that defines a platform.

That said, I see no issue with asking a privately run forum to keep it's membership under 3.4M if they don't want to be regulated like a platform.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Not just in the past. There's a current case going on about a major channel that Pornhub used to feature about performers being allegedly both lied to about where the footage would be available and raped. Very possibly what spurred PayPal to make this change.

That sounds like something that should be handled by law enforcement, not your bank.

Banks form an important part of it as KYC is designed to cut down on Money Laundering. Globally KYC/AML rules have gotten much stricter in recent years. If criminals can't access their money it ought to curb some of the incentives.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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> It's too slow In my recent experience, payments confirm ~5 times within an hour or so. > too cumbersome for he average consumer The BitPay wallet is very easy to use. And many sites now use payment URLs, so it's basically just click the link, and hit OK. > and its value fluctuates so much that you'd have to have dynamic pricing. I haven't seen anything in recent memory that doesn't use dynamic pricing. Many sellers…

>> It's too slow >In my recent experience, payments confirm ~5 times within an hour or so. Really not fast enought for the camgirl/camboy use case

Why would they need 5 confirmations?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Ask Julian Assange [1] how this works with political speech and journalism. Though I've probably provoked "the hate" by naming the major example rather than thought about the underlying principles and what's at stake.

[1] https://wikileaks.org/Banking-Blockade.html

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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>> It's too slow >In my recent experience, payments confirm ~5 times within an hour or so. Really not fast enought for the camgirl/camboy use case

Why would they need 5 confirmations?

Right.

Many VPN providers issue connection credentials with zero confirmations. Because reversal is nontrivial enough that it's worth the risk.

So I guess that it'd be the same for camboys/camgirls.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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This is the thing I find very disturbing. That an industry as highly regulated and essential to every day life as banking can pick and choose based on management's moral choices.

I doubt it's moral choices and more fraud and dispute levels, ie the cost to service a customer.

I am not convinced it is just that. PayPal also refuses to do business with online gambling which is an industry with low fraud levels (in the early poker days they were high, but that was a long time ago). Thankfully there are a bunch pf credit card processors who know how good customers online casinos are and most banks are fine too, so that industry is not deplatformed.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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It depends if the de-platforming is happening for reasons of social outrage / offense (bad) or commercial reasons (maybe not 'good' but at least 'better'). If it's about this particular industry sub-group having a much-higher-than-normal rate of fraud or returns or buyers remorse or whatever causes more hassle to PayPal's processes than they're worth, then that makes commercial sense.

it's mostly about ill-conceived laws intended to protect vulnerable people, which in fact harm those exact people

A lot of the laws were simply passed under the guise of helping people but were in fact passed to further peoples moral agendas. Easy tell that's the case when data comes along that contradicts the laws efficacy..

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

I've had several friends in the adult industry have their checking accounts closed at a several major banks as well. Traditional banking should definitely not be discriminating against fully legal activities.

Talk to gun retailers that were shut down by Chase and Bank of America.

Legal has nothing to do with it. There is an increasing degree of business that entirely revolves around feelings of people who yell the loudest.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

It would be terrific if as much energy would be spent on shutting down human sex trafficking finances for children and black and international markets.

Certainly there is some % of pornhub sex workers that are there against their will, but the dark web child porn networks are what our primary focus should be going against.

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