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AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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At first glance there seems to be more more malicious uses than good ones with voice. Yes, hearing someone dear to me say things he/she never said maybe comforting. Anything else? Maybe some movies with the deceased actor's voice? But what if someone who wants to hurt me sends me files (or phone calls) from the deceased person saying horrible things like: - "I am still alive but left as I was tired of you" - "oh Jan,…

People had the exact same concerns when digital image manipulation software became popular, including the "we will never be able to trust an image again" question. To answer your question, I think the biggest step we took in adapting to the ever-present risk that an image may have been manipulated is acknowledging that it's possible. As soon as people knew that something could be faked, they realized that having a pu…

"acknowledging that it's possible" Even then, once the poison of suspicion has been delivered the harm is done.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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My bank's (HSBC) telephone banking offers the option do away with a PIN and instead a 'my voice is my password'phrase system. I'm glad I never opted in.

I recently called Chase and got some message like "your voice may be recorded for verification purposes" or something to that extent. Creeped me out and I don't recall ever opting into that specifically, so I'm guessing it is an opt out buried in some agreement.

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I once got a call while I was lecturing some students. It was repeated three times in three minutes - I assumed it was an emergency and stepped out. I was greeted by someone explaining that my father had caused a car accident, and they were calling on his behalf. That someone would need to send over some money for repairs or they’d call the police. Sure. They added that their cousin, the driver, is a parolee now hold…

How do you even prepare for something like that... Do we need to assign identifying keywords to each other when we leave home so we know we are really ourselves? Like a vocal pgp?

Yes. My mom and I had phrases for duress. Since she has long since passed away, I can share ours. "I love you". Sad, right?

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I once got a call while I was lecturing some students. It was repeated three times in three minutes - I assumed it was an emergency and stepped out. I was greeted by someone explaining that my father had caused a car accident, and they were calling on his behalf. That someone would need to send over some money for repairs or they’d call the police. Sure. They added that their cousin, the driver, is a parolee now hold…

It was a real rollercoaster reading this comment! Also now, you have to also be worried about talking back being a smartass, because now they will record YOUR voice and use it to contact another loved one...

In my opinion, all phones should be set to not ring unless the number is in the address book in a specific category. Mine won't make a noise. If it's important, they will leave a message.

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How do you even prepare for something like that... Do we need to assign identifying keywords to each other when we leave home so we know we are really ourselves? Like a vocal pgp?

> How do you even prepare for something like that. You don't because it statistically never happens. Just like you don't prepare for a plane crash or a lightning bolt striking you.

Yet, so many people have made plans for what they will do when they win the lottery.

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How do you even prepare for something like that... Do we need to assign identifying keywords to each other when we leave home so we know we are really ourselves? Like a vocal pgp?

> How do you even prepare for something like that. You don't because it statistically never happens. Just like you don't prepare for a plane crash or a lightning bolt striking you.

I prepare for the astronomically improbable chance of a plane crash or lightning bolt striking me by having life insurance, so why such a reaction to someone asking this question?

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>Only ones that care about the appearance of propriety though Such as the United States?

USA is a plutocracy. Source - this study: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

Thanks for the link, I was looking for something to read about this topic.

Re: AI Clones Your Voice After Listening for 5 Seconds (2018)

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Given caller ID spoofing, they really shouldn't even accept calls from numbers they do recognize... especially with tech like this. Let it go to voice mail then return the call afterwards.

So what's the end game there - using voicemail as a poor man's texting?

The end game is everyone gets the shits, and there is a noticeable drop in the usage of the old POTS (plain old telephone system) network. People use Apple Facetime, Google Duo or whatever instead. Then the telco's start to notice they are loosing customers.

At that point one of two things happen. One is that telco's fix their networks. The second thing is they decide it isn't worth the effort, and let the traditional phone system die. Given phone calls are effectively free so there is stuff all revenue in them, I bet it's the latter.

If that happens it will be painful. Like it is with messaging now, but even more so. Messaging now is either SMS with it's limitations (like you can't use it from a computer), or a choice of a zillion walled gardens - Apple, Hangouts, Slack, Signal, Viber, Telegram, WhatsApp, Facebook, ... most of which I don't have installed so I can't communicate with someone using them. The voice equivalents are Facetime, Duo, Viber, Signal - many of the same things in fact. The result will worse than messaging - the ability to communicate universally with anyone dies, but with no SMS fallback.

But that's not the end point. Universal communication is just too useful to be dispensed with - as the explosion of internet and the postal system before that have shown. So something will replace it, and once again we will all be able communicate with anyone we please.

However, the replacement has to solve the parasite problem. Once the cost of sending a message drops below a certain point every universal system we've had so far has been overrun with parasites, aka spammers. The postal system has junk mail, email has it's spam, now the phone system, and of course SMS.

A solution may be to allow the recipient to charge the sender any amount they like for successful delivery of a message. Most people would allow friends to send for free, messages from unknown recipients to cost something, messages from spammers cost more.

That could happen with the existing phone system of course, but I'd lay log odds the incumbents have too much in common with the dinosaurs for it to even cross their minds. Sadly that means we are in for a very painful transition period. In fact they are already losing customers as people stop using land lines in droves, so I'd say the writing is on the wall.

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Philip K Dick wrote about people going to commune with artificial personality constructs of their deceased loved ones. Unfortunately, it's been a long time since I read it, so I don't remember which book it was in. Maybe someone who's read him more recently can remember. Update: Apparently, lots of other people wrote about this too, but PKD wrote about this before any of the ones mentioned so far, as he wrote about t…

Check out the movie with Jon Hamm, Marjorie Prime, screenplay by Jordan Harrison. Without spoiling too much, there's a company that can create holographic projections of loved ones which a woman's family gives to her as a gift which is a hologram of her deceased husband, but when he was a young man. The interesting part, narratively, is that while the holograms are near perfect physical recreations, their personaliti…

This movie is available on Amazon Prime.

It's not bad, but my recommendation is to go into it with the expectation of a Black Mirror episode rather than something you might pay to see in the cinema.

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