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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by briandear »

vbezhenar wrote: post #157
zamadatix wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

If you run a shop, you can't decline service to democrats, even if disagree with them. You can't discriminate, that's the law. I don't see how is it radically different from running a hosting company.

You actually can.

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

zamadatix wrote: post #213
int_19h wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to those questions depends on what your market dominance is. If you're one of many players in the market, and you're all actively competing against each other, then discriminate all you want - somebody else will cover that niche. But if you're the only option for many people, or there are so few options that the market is not really competitive, then yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to force compani…

It's relatively hard to make reliable regulation on "active competition" especially since you're talking about it only being valid with large numbers of players. How is a hosting company with 20 locations supposed to know that today a startup hosting company has closed in Wichita and it can't discriminate anymore since the other competitor in that area upped their per month cost? What defines if competitor #4 farther…

Surely it should work by availability areas? Web hosting is generally a global market. ISPs can have coverage vary inside a city block. As such, it's very nearly impossible for a customer to run out of web hosting options, but they may only have literally one option for internet providers.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by undefined3840 »

Daishiman wrote: post #149
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid. It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point, and because anything for legally working around financial deplatforming still needs strong interfacing with the rest of the system as well as compliance with…

Why would you assume adult workers don’t care about Bitcoin? I follow “crypto twitter” a bit and there are certainly a decent number of adult workers that are interested in it. Most understand the benefits for an industry that is in a legal gray area.

Building your own PayPal is way harder than building a payout mechanism for Bitcoin.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

stale2002 wrote: post #228
na85 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you. Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.

My bank isn't deplatforming me, when I transfer money from coinbase, though. So this is already a solved issue. They aren't deplatforming me right now!

Are you a sex worker?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by lvturner »

stale2002 wrote: post #228
na85 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you. Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.

My bank isn't deplatforming me, when I transfer money from coinbase, though. So this is already a solved issue. They aren't deplatforming me right now!

What if they deplatform coinbase due to AML risk... Or some other reason?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by zamadatix »

tw04 wrote: post #221
zamadatix wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

I always look at it as: can I function in society without X. With that in mind, the general consumer can function just fine in society without hosting. Three* things off the top of my head that SHOULD be regulated as a utility but currently aren't: ISP/Broadband access Payment processing Cellphone/telecom It's exceedingly difficult to function in 2019 on a strictly cash basis. Just like it's almost impossible to func…

This is pretty much how the US has been going about it. It's been a bit laggard as you have noted though. Some say this is good enough and we should work on updating things, others say the societal cost to just do this everywhere can be lower than the societal cost of being slow to update.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by goblin89 »

How thorough is Pornhub’s KYC?

In a business like that it may be quite difficult to detect exploitation. If they don’t strive do a good job at it (which doesn’t especially align with maximizing revenue), PayPal’s decision may be hard to criticize.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by tuesdayrain »

Daishiman wrote: post #149
aazaa wrote: post #135

Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid. It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point, and because anything for legally working around financial deplatforming still needs strong interfacing with the rest of the system as well as compliance with…

> In fact, you can make your own payments platform denominated in USD and that's as useful as BTC for legal activities. So why go through the extra steps?

Good call. These pornstars should just create their own payment platform instead of going through all the hassle of using BTC.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by zamadatix »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #232
zamadatix wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's relatively hard to make reliable regulation on "active competition" especially since you're talking about it only being valid with large numbers of players. How is a hosting company with 20 locations supposed to know that today a startup hosting company has closed in Wichita and it can't discriminate anymore since the other competitor in that area upped their per month cost? What defines if competitor #4 farther…

Surely it should work by availability areas? Web hosting is generally a global market. ISPs can have coverage vary inside a city block. As such, it's very nearly impossible for a customer to run out of web hosting options, but they may only have literally one option for internet providers.

And who decides what defines every availability area and competition map for every product and service every day to see if there is enough coverage/competition? Or are you arguing for a whitelist-to-discriminate model for things with extremely large coverage areas (perhaps worldwide)? If the latter do you think there are enough of these that can be done easily enough to save complexity/cost overall or is it only applicable to a narrow field e.g. web services and other things still need an answer anyways?

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Post by huehehue »

stale2002 wrote: post #228
na85 wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you. Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.

My bank isn't deplatforming me, when I transfer money from coinbase, though. So this is already a solved issue. They aren't deplatforming me right now!

Sure, but Coinbase's KYC prevents it from being a reliable long-term alternative. There's still a central authority with your identity, governing whether you can move your money.
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