Good. Porn is poison to society
Even if you agree with this premise. It's not on you to decide what people poison themselves with.
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#202Square and Cash App now is your time. You talk about economic empowerment but are you really bout that life?
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing. I'd love to see your thoughts on this expanded. I don't have a particularly rigorously formed opinion on this, but my gut disagrees. I'd settle for some links to articles/etc. that reflect your viewpoint.
Not OP, but my gut agrees with his. Very tricky issue and I don't think anyone can say who is "right", so I fall back to one universal principle to inform my opinion here, as well as a general societal observation. The principle: moderation is almost always best. This applies to food and exercise, to work/life balance, to sex and drugs, and everything in between. Pornography consumption generally does not represent "…
> Pornography consumption generally does not represent "moderation" of sex, but the extreme end of it - you crave sexual stimulation so badly that you resort to watching other people having their sexual urges fulfilled (which can then make the porn consumer less motivated to pursue healthy avenues to achieve their own sexual fulfillment, leading to a downward spiral).
This is equal parts editorializing and [citation needed]. Keep in mind that correlation != causation.
> I also think there are significant societal downsides to the more extreme levels of sexual liberation that are rapidly becoming normalized in American society
What downsides? What exactly do you mean by "extreme levels of sexual liberation"?
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#204Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
Bitcoin isn't criticized for this being an invalid use case, because it's totally valid. It's criticized because it's useless for this use case, people involved in this scene in practice don't care about it to any serious degree beyond it being a talking point, and because anything for legally working around financial deplatforming still needs strong interfacing with the rest of the system as well as compliance with…
I think part of it is a bootstrapping problem. Bitcoin solved an interesting technical problem, so people started using it. Once people started getting interested, companies popped up to sell it, but notably there was a base of users prior to that.
By contrast, the barrier to entry for a new system denominated in USD is much higher. People can't really start using it until there's a company around to support it, and starting a company to run a payments platform isn't for the faint of heart.
Still, I've been keeping an eye on GNU Taler[0], which seems to be tackling the technical side of that problem. I'm unclear on some of the technical details, but it's the closest thing I've found so far to digital cash.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
The plural of anecdote is not data. Also, do you have any credentials to back up your expertise in the field of psychology?
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4693920 One learns by theory and experiment. Also, I don't flash my credentials to win arguments online. Think of me as an intellectual sparring partner rather than an authority feeding you what to believe and shape the dialectic accordingly.
> I don't flash my credentials to win arguments online
I'll interpret that as "I don't have any relevant credentials."
Credentials often mean something. I see armchair lawyering all the time on HN, and as a actual attorney I find it both concerning and unsurprising how much ignorance exists of the actual law, enough for me to periodically step in and say something (and reveal my bona fides because I think it's relevant) when I think such a misunderstanding could be harmful to readers who may mistakenly rely on such assertions.
Your summary judgment of the mental health of the practitioners of the world's oldest profession is already unconvincing; the fact that you have no actual training or expertise in this area makes us trust you even less.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing. I'd love to see your thoughts on this expanded. I don't have a particularly rigorously formed opinion on this, but my gut disagrees. I'd settle for some links to articles/etc. that reflect your viewpoint.
Pornography is a symptom of the commodification of sex, much like legal prostitution, sugar-daddies, and even the transactional swiping hookup apps that dominate dating among lower age groups. It is the tendency of a capital-dominated culture to turn everything into a commodity that is bought and sold; sex is merely one element that this system has consumed. After the wide acceptance of the birth control pill, the tr…
Sex was bought and sold long before capitalism, though.
And I don't even mean prostitution, although that one is obvious. But in traditional patriarchal societies, brides are often effectively bought and sold, and sex is a part of that package. The difference is whether the benefactor is the woman herself, or somebody else.
In a very cynical sense, in a traditional society, women are "capital" of a very special kind - they are the "means of production" of heirs. And heirs are necessary for the family line to accumulate other kinds of capital over time.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
Drug prohibition is a thing about laws. It is legal (in the US) for people (of legal age) to purchase pornography* . The fact that there is a cultural disapproval of pornography is not that much like there being laws restricting it. Also, some things should be socially discouraged while being legal. If you mean this as purely a descriptive question, then I suppose that yes, if fewer contracts excluded pornographic co…
> I think the fact that pornography is viewed negatively, at least in public, is a good thing. I'd love to see your thoughts on this expanded. I don't have a particularly rigorously formed opinion on this, but my gut disagrees. I'd settle for some links to articles/etc. that reflect your viewpoint.
It's really interesting to see the two responses to this, one "trad" and one socialist! I'll give my two cents as well.
I'm persuaded by the arguments of second-wave, sort-of "sex-negative" feminists like Catherine McKinnon and Andrea Dworkin. Modern feminism seems mostly to have moved towards supporting the idea that sex work can be empowering and freely chosen. And it's true that with the internet this can be much more of a reality. Still, most of what I've read, and documentaries such as Hot Girls Wanted, imply that the vast majority of women working in porn and sex work have concomitant drug and alcohol problems and/or mental illness, and the job takes a huge psychological toll. It's not conducive with happiness and a positive image of oneself and others.
I think it's probably good (not to mention unavoidable) that pornography exists in society, but it should be less abundant and more stigmatised.
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#208Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
> It also happens in the US marijuana industry.
That's because it is still federally illegal
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#209Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…
But Bitcoin won't solve deplatforming, because the existence of Bitcoin doesn't preclude a bank from deplatforming you.
Until Bitcoin is ubiquitous (doubtful this will occur in my life time) we are still vulnerable to deplatforming when we go to exchange btc for fiat.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's supposed to be called government. Public banking (like what California has recently approved) should be the answer for legal and under-banked.
But what do you do when the government is trying to shut down your access to banking (as in the case of gun sellers)?
The government doesn't need tricks to ban something...