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Financial deplatforming is a monster, long-term trend to watch over the next decades. Deplatforming happens with sex workers. It also happens in the US marijuana industry. It happens with perfectly legal political content. The number of ways in which someone, somewhere will be offended by products or services for sale is growing, driven by a rapidly improving worldwide communication network and delivery system, and b…

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Or you could not go through any of the steps of making a payments platform and just accept BTC.

And then you have to find a seller for BTC and deal with that hassle yourself.

Unless other things were priced in BTC...

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What are the biggest cost centers for a new payment provider? Software engineers? Rack space? Dispute (fraud) resolution? Marketing?

It's not about costs. It's about trust and scale, neither of which you can buy.

Payment providers earn a fraction of a percent on transactions, so they must have extremely high volume in payments to be sustainable. It takes hundreds of millions just to be able to afford some workers and office.

Which can't happen because trust and fraud. A legit customer, especially with any amount of volume, would never adopt a small or unknown provider. Corollary, the provider only attracts low grade or fraudsters, assuming they ain't the fraudster themselves.

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wheres the disruptive fintech for these underbanked? Sounds like a gold mine for the right marketing team.

It's supposed to be called government. Public banking (like what California has recently approved) should be the answer for legal and under-banked.

But what do you do when the government is trying to shut down your access to banking (as in the case of gun sellers)?

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#195

Good. Porn is poison to society

Why?

yourbrainonporn.com has not only research but a vast population of ex-porn users. If you claim any counter argument on its effect after that, then I question one's honesty to seek the truth.

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Stripe won't touch adult content, I've tried (chargeback ratio is very high, I don't blame them). Very hard to find processors who will work with adult content of any sort. The real problem is that person to person money transfers shouldn't be prohibited unless by law. Perhaps Pornhub, in the US at least, could use something like Zelle to mediate transfers between patrons and performers (using their bank account to m…

US PayPal is not a bank. They don't actually perform money transfers between individuals. You pay PayPal and they disburse it to your designee. There are two transactions involved.

> US PayPal is not a bank

True

> They don't actually perform money transfers between individuals.

It is regulated as some sort of money transmitter in every state: https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/licenses

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons: 1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operator…

What's the percentage of porn-related shadiness is because our society and business culture forces that? It seems similar to drug prohibitions etc. I haven't had to deal with a shady drug dealer in years now that weed is legal. Maybe if vice-clauses and the like weren't so ubiquitous we'd see more upright actors in the field.

Historically, you see more prostitution in uptight eras (Victorian, etc) where "good girls don't."

More recently, research suggests that rates of sexual assault go down when porn is readily available. It's a controversial thing that a lot of people don't want to hear at least in part because it directly contradicts a lot of feminist narrative that rape is about power, not desire.

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#198

Whatever you might think of the various professions... As long as it is legal, it seems the major payment service providers should not pass on their moral code onto everybody else. What's next? You get no water/power/whatever if you run a business that the service providers simply do not agree with?

Water/power are utilities and are regulated differently than other industries. But your general question is an open debate. If you run a hosting company do you have to host things you disagree with? If you run a transaction company doy you have to exchange with parties you disagree with? What if a certain type of transaction is too high risk, do they have to do it anyways? Personally I'd like to see things lean more…

The answer to those questions depends on what your market dominance is. If you're one of many players in the market, and you're all actively competing against each other, then discriminate all you want - somebody else will cover that niche. But if you're the only option for many people, or there are so few options that the market is not really competitive, then yeah, I think it's perfectly legitimate to force companies to not discriminate.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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Porn is ripe with human trafficking and its consumption is violently destructive to individuals and relationships.

Source: http://yourbrainonporn.com/

In the future, when people stop acting so ignorant, it'll be categorized as a threat to society in corrupting objective, rational and clear thinking.

Everything in extremes is bad, even freedom.

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