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Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between consenting parties.

There are plenty of competitors in NJ chomping at the bit to eat Uber and Lyft's lunch.

What are these competitors? I go to NJ frequently and haven't heard about any of them.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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> It’s not clear whether the company ever paid any of that bill.

What's the point of these fines if NJ and other governments have no real power to enforce them? This seems to be all for show. Sure, we throw poor people in jail over a $20 fine. But Uber doesn't pay tens of millions and nothing at all happens to them. It's impossible to see this as anything other than separate justice systems for the rich and poor. If Uber was a real person, they'd probably be in jail for life. If they weren't white, they'd be sitting on death row. Instead, we talk of them as if they are some sort of success: a company breaking laws and hemorrhaging money with no chance in fucking hell of ever being profitable.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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There's no escaping this from states like NJ, CA, IL, MA, and NY. These states (of which I am a member of) are broke with pension obligations waiting to bankrupt the government. Taxes are already high both on income and property so there's nowhere to go there. They have old infrastructures and although the citizens are heavily taxed, government can't make improvements in large part because of lifetime pension obligations to a rapidly growing group of retirees - many of which have already moved to tax free states like FL.

So these states are the vanguard in finding ways to collect more tax revenue any way they can. Sharing Economy companies are simply the easiest to harvest right now.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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If the state wins, I wouldn't be surprised if Lyft and Uber pulled out, or at least increased their fares by a substantial amount.

Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between consenting parties.

Consenting parties? The asymmetry is such that you can't really speak of consent any more. It's about as consensual as a 15 hour workday was in the 1920's.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of competitors in NJ chomping at the bit to eat Uber and Lyft's lunch.

What are these competitors? I go to NJ frequently and haven't heard about any of them.

They get bought out frequently. Juno is big in the NYC metro area that covers a lot of North Jersey. Curb, Via, and Gett also operate there.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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Yep, nearly 70% of voters voted against allowing short-term rentals. AirBnb spent over $4 million on that local election alone[1]. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/airbnb-suffers-setback-in-je...

Proof that voting works (IMHO). Local residents won against a distant corporate entity.

Proof that it can.

AirBnB aren't top competition.

Re: Uber Hit with $650M Employment Tax Bill in New Jersey

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Personally I think they should pull out nevertheless and make an example out of NJ. That should give enough signals for other lawmakers not to come between consenting parties.

"We should just let corporations do whatever they want"

I wonder how many people have this opinion just to stick it to "the man" -- seems like most of the anti-Uber HN crowd does not actually drive for Uber, but nonetheless express a passionate hatred for their business model.
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