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We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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IOT devices use standard, commonly available boards and chips, which are meant for widely varied applications, so offer wifi/Internet connectivity easily. So companies can add that "feature" painlessly by applying a snippet of (usually OSS) code. And collecting all the customer data they can is a bonus. No penalty of zero security, major upside if they sell it. This is dangerous to all of us, even if you don't own an…

My brother and father in law bought a bunch cheap WiFi security cameras off of amazon. People online were complaining they phone home all kinds of stuff to Chinese IPs. My father in laws other cameras are Nest which phone to Google but it’s a selling point. I was going to put the Chinese cameras on a subnet but I don’t want to complicate his network. My father in law has 3 routers with 3 WiFi networks competing with…

I have three Wyze cams, which pretty much fit the bill of "cheap WiFi security cams which phone home to Chinese IPs". Though you can flash them with other firmware, if you want to control that. Personally, being in the US, I am less worried about Chinese companies sharing my data with US corps or government agencies (that doesn't seem too likely, somehow) but I would certainly be more nervous if I lived in the PRC. I suppose there's still the possibility they could be compromised to try attack other machines on my network, but those aren't wide open.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

> looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. I agree. Under no circumstance would I buy a vehicle that is connected to the internet or is capable of wireless communications, unless I could physically disable that and still be able to use the vehicle. The industry seems to differ, though, so I pretty much expect that any car I own in…

>I pretty much expect that any car I own in my lifetime will be a rather old one.

I recently came to this conclusion, for similar but not identical reasons. Modern vehicles have increasingly complex electronic and mechanical systems wrapped around the engine to improve efficiency. The complexity is becoming a risk, in my opinion, due to the potential cost of maintaining the vehicle beyond 5 years of age.

My usual buy in is around 5 years old, and the cars I have access to now are a huge liability due to all the additional features that can go wrong (DPF, EGR, variable vane turbo etc etc).

My next vehicle will be an old, normally aspirated, petrol engine with the simplest wiring loom I can find.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

>Get the internet out of my car, I already have a phone for that.

Think you have a future of cycling ahead of you. I'd be surprised if overair updates aren't standard in <3 years on all cars.

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

In a related note....

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/10/five-...

Five months after returning rental car, man still has remote control Man can still track vehicle, lock and unlock it, and start and stop its engine.

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> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

>Get the internet out of my car, I already have a phone for that. Think you have a future of cycling ahead of you. I'd be surprised if overair updates aren't standard in <3 years on all cars.

Or older vehicles. Going forward I am not buying anything made after 1970's. And that is fine, because I find them much easier to work on. Pre-smog is also a bonus, for me anyway.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. I agree. Under no circumstance would I buy a vehicle that is connected to the internet or is capable of wireless communications, unless I could physically disable that and still be able to use the vehicle. The industry seems to differ, though, so I pretty much expect that any car I own in…

>I pretty much expect that any car I own in my lifetime will be a rather old one. I recently came to this conclusion, for similar but not identical reasons. Modern vehicles have increasingly complex electronic and mechanical systems wrapped around the engine to improve efficiency. The complexity is becoming a risk, in my opinion, due to the potential cost of maintaining the vehicle beyond 5 years of age. My usual buy…

not exactly related to the IOT issue in the article, but the actual lifespan of the drivetrain of these EVs is -really- appealing [0]. unfortunate that we have to be worried about the peripheral software issues and can't just get the benefits of the more environmentally friendly and reliable cars

0: https://qz.com/1737145/the-economics-of-driving-seven-teslas...

Re: We're Surrounded by Billions of Internet-Connected Devices. Can We Trust Them?

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> But Kennedy's biggest concern at the moment is in the area of automotive safety No doubt. I was pricing out a Mercedes online, and looking through the summary one of the standard features was "over-the-air updates". That is the last thing in the world I want. An expensive car shouldn't be acting like an Android phone. It shouldn't be connected to the internet at all. If it's updating anything other than the enterta…

I could see that being a good feature for a built-in Satnav system.

Tesla does over-the-air updates that make fairly significant changes to the way the car operates.

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