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Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#51

I’m the last person to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon, but this is one case where I think it’s warranted.

Bitcoin isn't good for transactions. It's too slow, too cumbersome for he average consumer and its value fluctuates so much that you'd have to have dynamic pricing.

I love the idea of crypto currency and I really do think, one day, some form of it will be out future. But Bitcoin today just doesn't fit that bill at all.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#53

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> The new flow I suggest is: BTC -> Coinbase -> PayPal The flow still can be censored. As a matter of fact, you now have two opportunities for your payment to get nixed.

The point is to spend out of btc via means of PayPal though. The shift card died because Switzer land couldn't hold it up.

The issue is and always will be the fiat gateways. If you do sufficient volume, someone's going to snoop around and ask questions like, oh, I don't know "where did you get this money and what did you say your business does again?" BTC is not a solution to this problem either. Maybe for the buyer since they're low volume enough not to raise eyebrows one way or the other, but as the vendor it just won't help.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

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My hunch is that would incur unwanted liability from FOSTA-SESTA [1]. Producing content and paying talent out directly is fairly straightforward for adult entertainment. There be dragons if you're attempting to build a marketplace to do something similar. "The Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act (SESTA) and Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act (FOSTA) are the U.S. Senate and House bills that as…

AFAIK Pornhub is Canadian. However your objection still stands; I would imagine that there are similar laws in Canada against sex trafficking.

They operate in the US, so are beholden to US law as well.

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#57

What are the biggest cost centers for a new payment provider? Software engineers? Rack space? Dispute (fraud) resolution? Marketing?

Risk and compliance, honestly. Margins are razor thin, for instance Square's most recent quarterly filings where they indicated transaction margins had them at ~1%. You mess up, you've gotta process $99 more for every $1 you lost. Compliance paperwork is expensive enough but you make a mistake and prepare to have some uncomfortable chats with the government.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#58
post #43

Bitcoin will solve this problem.

Not until it's near as stable as the dollar it won't.

It's easy to avoid this kind of problems: - convert to fiat - open sell order against fiat - convert to stable coin

...or just for PH to support stable coins internally.

As weird as it sounds I honestly think they should pair with one/more exchanges to support low friction onboarding/exchange - who knows, maybe some of them will convert to traders! :)

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#59

A contributor once wrote on hn about the huge market for a porn friendly payment system. Key feature, must not look suspicious on credit card bill...

There are a lot of porn friendly payment systems. The big issue is chargebacks and fraud.

Fraud has completely different profile on cryptocurrency. They would have zero chargeback percentage. Just think about it.

Re: PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub

#60

A contributor once wrote on hn about the huge market for a porn friendly payment system. Key feature, must not look suspicious on credit card bill...

There are plenty of porn friendly payment providers. They just cost a lot of money relative to "normal" merchants because of a few simple reasons:

1) Chargebacks -- people chargeback the shit out of these kinds of transactions. Significant other sees the bill, gets pissed / confused about the charge / whatever and gets it charged back. 2) Fraud -- people use stolen CC's to pay for this kind of thing. 3) Porn operators are, as a whole, rather shady themselves and present their own set of risks to a payment provider. A lot of those chargebacks in #1 are actually valid chargebacks.

You could say "use bitcoin", which would solve the chargeback problem but do nothing for fraud and shady porn sites. If anything it would exacerbate the shady behavior because consumers would have no recourse against fraud.

In short, collecting payment for porn sites a tough, costly business.

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