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Re: Egypt has shut off the Internet (update: not everywhere)

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Post by jacquesm » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 6:42 PM UTC

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #140

jacquesm wrote: post #134

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They wouldn't have to do much tracking, there is a public registry. On another note, during WWII the mere possession of a radio was grounds for execution in plenty of places, let alone a transmitter, but that didn't stop people from having radios concealed in the most ingenious ways.

True enough. My point was, a governing body with the right resources could track down -anyone- transmitting, HAM or not. Those concealing radios to listen, however, are a whole other ballgame.

The way it was done was like this: information was smuggled out of Belgium, France and the Netherlands by any conceivable means in a slow but fairly steady drip, then broadcast back to the occupied territories from UK soil.

So that's why the radios were so important, and that's why they were illegal.

Re: Egypt has shut off the Internet (update: not everywhere)

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Post by jemfinch » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 7:20 PM UTC

Locke1689 wrote: post #81

jemfinch wrote: post #57

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> Take out a few core locations and you'd have a very hard time getting to google, or most other sites for that matter. Definitely untrue. How familiar are you with how the Internet works? Google and other major websites are massively multihomed: they peer with tens or hundreds or perhaps thousands of other ISPs and backbones in as many different peering points around the world. > All it takes for the vast majority o…

How familiar are you with how the Internet works? If you read any recent DS papers you'd notice that Tier-1 ASes follow a power law distribution. You'd only have to shut down a handful of peering ASes to cripple BGP routing in the US.

The thing that makes those ASes Tier-1 is that they have so many peering points. You seem to be presuming that they're as easy to shut down as cutting the power to a few POPs, but they're not. How many POPs would you have to take out to stop Americans from getting to Google?

Re: Egypt has shut off the Internet (update: not everywhere)

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Post by Locke1689 » Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 9:59 PM UTC

jemfinch wrote: post #142

Locke1689 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How familiar are you with how the Internet works? If you read any recent DS papers you'd notice that Tier-1 ASes follow a power law distribution. You'd only have to shut down a handful of peering ASes to cripple BGP routing in the US.

The thing that makes those ASes Tier-1 is that they have so many peering points. You seem to be presuming that they're as easy to shut down as cutting the power to a few POPs, but they're not. How many POPs would you have to take out to stop Americans from getting to Google?

You don't need to kill PoPs. ASes are run by companies. Force those companies to shut down the PoPs themselves.