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AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by joaobeno »

davidy123 wrote: post #44

Slight meta, and part of a larger 'rant,' but when are we going to get away from reviews that might as well have been printed on glossy pages in PC Magazine in 1986? Anandtech has been at it since the 90s and hasn't changed their format at all. This is a serious decades-long stagnation of the web. The graphs should be dynamic (able to choose what scenarios and components to compare, and able to search within them), a…

There are huge selections of manufactures, speeds, powers, capacities, and so on... Thus, it is hard to simply let you pick and choose... They pick some parts, limit external factors that could influence the benchmarks, and show you the metrics so you can make an somewhat more informed decision...

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by ibobev »

As a developer I am keen to see some compilation benchmarks. Unfortunately those kinds of benchmarks are almost never included in such reviews. Instead there are many gaming benchmarks which purpose is not exactly clear for me, after obviously gaming is not the primary target market for R9 3950X.

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by bransonf »

davidy123 wrote: post #44

Slight meta, and part of a larger 'rant,' but when are we going to get away from reviews that might as well have been printed on glossy pages in PC Magazine in 1986? Anandtech has been at it since the 90s and hasn't changed their format at all. This is a serious decades-long stagnation of the web. The graphs should be dynamic (able to choose what scenarios and components to compare, and able to search within them), a…

I mean, there are plenty of options to compare new cpus to old ones.

0. CPUBoss 1. CPUBenchmark 2. UserBenchmark

And if you’re considering an upgrade, it’s almost always the case that you should be comparing latest generation offerings to arrive at a purchase decision.

Don’t call the web stagnant because they decide not to flood the page with JS libraries.

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by mmastrac »

ibobev wrote: post #72

As a developer I am keen to see some compilation benchmarks. Unfortunately those kinds of benchmarks are almost never included in such reviews. Instead there are many gaming benchmarks which purpose is not exactly clear for me, after obviously gaming is not the primary target market for R9 3950X.

I believe that some of the YouTube channels have started including compilation benchmarks. GamersNexus [1] and Linus Tech Tips [2] both do!

[1] https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3460-new-cpu-bench-method...

[2] https://youtu.be/stM2CPF9YAY?t=4m49s

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by KuiN »

Filligree wrote: post #50
IanCutress wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth pointing out that the value for Intel's 10nm is on its high-density libraries, not its high-performance libraries, which are less dense.

"Libraries"?

There's a lot of detail in a really in-depth (but very interesting) AnandTech article about Intel's 10nm process [0]. The basic idea is Intel have multiple distinct sets of logical unit designs at different densities which have different characteristics. It's like having multiple software libraries that do the same thing but have different performance etc. except it's a library of silicon building blocks. You trade-off speed with density (highest performance library uses the least dense circuits). Each chip's design can be made up of bits of silicon from these different libraries. Different densities also have different power consumption, so in cases it makes sense to build low power chips that have small high performance, power sucking parts that can be used sparingly.

[0]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-...

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by monocasa »

Filligree wrote: post #50
IanCutress wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth pointing out that the value for Intel's 10nm is on its high-density libraries, not its high-performance libraries, which are less dense.

"Libraries"?

Libraries of standard cells.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_cell

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by uluyol »

davidy123 wrote: post #44

Slight meta, and part of a larger 'rant,' but when are we going to get away from reviews that might as well have been printed on glossy pages in PC Magazine in 1986? Anandtech has been at it since the 90s and hasn't changed their format at all. This is a serious decades-long stagnation of the web. The graphs should be dynamic (able to choose what scenarios and components to compare, and able to search within them), a…

Few figures benefit from being interactive. I'm confused as to why why you'd want user contributed results. Getting a benchmark setup to be fair takes effort and you cannot simply take numbers measured using different CPU/memory/OS version/etc combos and draw conclusions from them. The fact that components combos are curated is a feature.

Personally, all I want from Anandtech is better editing and more articles.

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by ihattendorf »

bransonf wrote: post #73
davidy123 wrote: post #44

Slight meta, and part of a larger 'rant,' but when are we going to get away from reviews that might as well have been printed on glossy pages in PC Magazine in 1986? Anandtech has been at it since the 90s and hasn't changed their format at all. This is a serious decades-long stagnation of the web. The graphs should be dynamic (able to choose what scenarios and components to compare, and able to search within them), a…

I mean, there are plenty of options to compare new cpus to old ones. 0. CPUBoss 1. CPUBenchmark 2. UserBenchmark And if you’re considering an upgrade, it’s almost always the case that you should be comparing latest generation offerings to arrive at a purchase decision. Don’t call the web stagnant because they decide not to flood the page with JS libraries.

But if you're deciding whether or not to upgrade, a comparison between your current hardware and newer hardware is relevant.

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by tedunangst »

davidy123 wrote: post #44

Slight meta, and part of a larger 'rant,' but when are we going to get away from reviews that might as well have been printed on glossy pages in PC Magazine in 1986? Anandtech has been at it since the 90s and hasn't changed their format at all. This is a serious decades-long stagnation of the web. The graphs should be dynamic (able to choose what scenarios and components to compare, and able to search within them), a…

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2538?vs=2558

Re: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Review

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Post by zamubafoo »

Tepix wrote: post #52
zamubafoo wrote: post #19

I find it interesting how desktop CPUs are essentially coming down to two enthusiast markets, developers/content creators/workstations and gaming. While the gaming market is (usually) seeking the highest top single core clock speed with respect to CPUs, it also relies on other expensive hardware. Meanwhile the dev/content creator/workstation market is much better served by these multi-core behemoths. Intel really has…

You're forgetting about the low budget CPUs used for desktop PCs. AMD has a pretty good standing with their Vega GPUs built into the Ryzen/Athlon APUs. Or are you only talking about enthusiasts?

If we are looking at the budget systems, then AMD wins hands down. Not only do their Athlon 200 CPUs have appallingly good cost to performance ratios (with Vega GPUs and a CPU cooler), they also share the same socket with the Ryzen lineup.

At the moment, I wouldn't recommend anything but AMD for CPU since you can buy at any price point then upgrade. I think the only price point that Intel does have a slight advantage is the ~$500 mark.

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