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But why?
Power, most likely. You physically couldn’t connect 4-5 full powered devices to a hub. There is an expectation that any USB-C port will accept any power any compatible device.
It doesn't mean such a device would be impossible to make.
I'm actually a bit confused by why it matters at this point. HDMI is ubiquitous, can handle a high enough resolution/ rate that most human eyes can't distinguish better, and is relatively cheap. It's an optimized, widely available format, and does a great job. USB is a downgrade for this particular task. Other than novelty, I don't see a reason to ever do this.
What do you mean? Plenty of computers now ship with no other connectors than USB-C. In other words HDMI is not ubiquitous What I love about USB-C is I plug in a single cable to my laptop and I get keyboard, mouse, wifi, and monitor (4k 60hz) At work I have a USB-C hub for my one cable to my computer. The hub has Displayport so I can use HDMI on a different device. At home my monitor does USB-C natively so my keyboard…
Sadly. Mine has USB-C and HDMI. I don't think I will buy a device without HDMI in the next 15 years.
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I'm completely ok with it being complicated to design and cost 10 euros more if it delivers. And despite all its flaws, USBC does. It's small. It's reversible. I can charge all my devices on it: my samsung tablet, my oneplus phone, my logitech mouse, my jabra headphones, my switch and my XPS 13 laptop, which I can also dock to my screen/ethernet. It's amazing. So yes, I had to take the time to find the proper cable,…
There's also a middle-ground that would have made people happier across the spectrum. Standard power cable, for phone, laptop, etc. Standard data cable, for your ereader, camera. Standard video-audio cable. I think it's a good principle to have that if the engineers suffer, that will run downhill on consumers too. I think every engineer can find examples of that.
The USB-C spec is an insane mess. The fact that every port used to be different is actually a feature, as it helps you identify which device supports what based on the ports it had. If you see an HDMI port on a laptop you can be sure it's going to output some kind of video signal over that. If you see Thunderbolt then you're sure the machine supports Thunderbolt. USB-C just jams all these incompatible standards into…
All the issues you are reporting are just growing pains and will be sorted out/disappear alongside adoption and as the standard matures. USB-C is what a computer connector should have been from day 1. Edit: spelling
I wish that were true, but I won't hold my breath.
What is far more likely is that more standards and complexity will infiltrate the market before USB-C stabilizes into something that vendors can be consistent with and which consumers understand.
USB-C is a train-wreck for those of us who work in electronics design. USB-C's chipset support isn't all that good, it seems like. With USB 3 type A, you pretty-much just run your USB lines to the ports on your CPU. Simple, straightforward. Manufacturers are happy to do it, because it's dirt cheap and requires nothing except the connectors and maybe some ESD protection. USB-C is a different beast entirely. Just to us…
I get that Intel may want to prevent people selling Thunderbolt stuff without certification etc. but this shitty behavior really sucks for advanced tinkerers willing to get their hands dirty on some modern technology.
If someone does have an application example that includes all necessary chips including an USB3 controller, a Thunderbolt controller, a MUX chip for DisplayPort and a decent PD controller supporting source and sink operation mode, I'd be happy about any hints.
Oh and if someone from the Raspberry Pi foundation reads this, please for the love of everything that's holy update the Compute Module and expose PCI-E there!
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USB-C allows me to hook up my laptop with one cable. Your middle-ground standard wouldn't.
I probably misused the "across the spectrum" idiom. What I meant is that it would make developers much happier than USB-C and it would make consumers much happier than USB 3. My idea was that it's a more wholesome situation than content consumer and frustrated developer.
USB-C is a train-wreck for those of us who work in electronics design. USB-C's chipset support isn't all that good, it seems like. With USB 3 type A, you pretty-much just run your USB lines to the ports on your CPU. Simple, straightforward. Manufacturers are happy to do it, because it's dirt cheap and requires nothing except the connectors and maybe some ESD protection. USB-C is a different beast entirely. Just to us…
Customers have wanted to charge, transfer data, and transfer display information on one cable. That’s what we want, and you can see that many folks are willing to pay for it.
Everything dealing with electronics is complicated and expensive until one day it isn’t.
The USB-C PD charger of my Nintendo Switch does not charge my phone, but it does charge my Surface. My phone's USB-C charger does charge the phone and Surface, but not the Switch. My USB-C battery pack charges my phone, but is charged by my Surface. Yeah, it just works.
How do, say, a battery pack and a Surface negotiate who is charging who over a symmetric USB-C-to-C cable?
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There's also a middle-ground that would have made people happier across the spectrum. Standard power cable, for phone, laptop, etc. Standard data cable, for your ereader, camera. Standard video-audio cable. I think it's a good principle to have that if the engineers suffer, that will run downhill on consumers too. I think every engineer can find examples of that.
USB-C allows me to hook up my laptop with one cable. Your middle-ground standard wouldn't.
The USB-C spec is an insane mess. The fact that every port used to be different is actually a feature, as it helps you identify which device supports what based on the ports it had. If you see an HDMI port on a laptop you can be sure it's going to output some kind of video signal over that. If you see Thunderbolt then you're sure the machine supports Thunderbolt. USB-C just jams all these incompatible standards into…
Once this is sorted out we would have a wonderful world. Using a single Thunderbolt port I connect my notebook to a dock and immediately convert the small notebook into a desktop with three external monitors plus many other ports. I can also magically use the same USB-C hub I use in the notebook in my mobile phone to add a keyboard and mouse plus an HDMI monitor. I have never seen this in the past: my previous notebo…