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Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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There's a lot of complaining from the engineering side regarding the USB-C but for the customer it is godsend. Now instead of million little different ports, they can use one which in well-engineered (emphasis here) products will cover most of their use cases.

Yes, I know it is a pain to manufacture and design software for but the user doesn't care about that. They care about convenience.

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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The USB-C spec is an insane mess. The fact that every port used to be different is actually a feature, as it helps you identify which device supports what based on the ports it had. If you see an HDMI port on a laptop you can be sure it's going to output some kind of video signal over that. If you see Thunderbolt then you're sure the machine supports Thunderbolt. USB-C just jams all these incompatible standards into…

Not only that, but the USB-C plug itself is the worst-designed plug I have seen in a decade. It's flimsy sheet metal on the plug side with a nice big cantilever, and flimsy sheet metal soldered to a PCB on the other. Perfect recipe for broken ports and cables. I break about a cable a week and break a device every now and then. Mostly doing very normal things like charging a phone in my pocket while hiking. USB-C seem…

>I break about a cable a week and break a device every now and then

You're doing it wrong then. I have about 5 USB-C cables and have never broke one in 3 years...

Kinds of cables I have broken over my IT life:

- A few Apple charger cables (on the Mac connecting end)

- A few headphone cables

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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Not only that, but the USB-C plug itself is the worst-designed plug I have seen in a decade. It's flimsy sheet metal on the plug side with a nice big cantilever, and flimsy sheet metal soldered to a PCB on the other. Perfect recipe for broken ports and cables. I break about a cable a week and break a device every now and then. Mostly doing very normal things like charging a phone in my pocket while hiking. USB-C seem…

That's just bullshit. You can check for how many uses a usbc plug was designed and tested for.

What they say is they have a charger in their pocket and connected to their phone while hiking. So they're like yanking the cable, sometimes slightly, sometimes harder, thousands of times per day, as they walk, climb, etc. I'd say put the thing in a backpack, or use wireless, or whatever...

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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I'm completely ok with it being complicated to design and cost 10 euros more if it delivers. And despite all its flaws, USBC does. It's small. It's reversible. I can charge all my devices on it: my samsung tablet, my oneplus phone, my logitech mouse, my jabra headphones, my switch and my XPS 13 laptop, which I can also dock to my screen/ethernet. It's amazing. So yes, I had to take the time to find the proper cable,…

I'm soon switching a lot of things to USB-C. What brands of cables would you recommend ?

something with Kevlar in it like powerline.

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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USB-C hubs are not permitted by the spec.

But why?

Power, most likely. You physically couldn’t connect 4-5 full powered devices to a hub. There is an expectation that any USB-C port will accept any power any compatible device.

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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I'm completely ok with it being complicated to design and cost 10 euros more if it delivers. And despite all its flaws, USBC does. It's small. It's reversible. I can charge all my devices on it: my samsung tablet, my oneplus phone, my logitech mouse, my jabra headphones, my switch and my XPS 13 laptop, which I can also dock to my screen/ethernet. It's amazing. So yes, I had to take the time to find the proper cable,…

I'm soon switching a lot of things to USB-C. What brands of cables would you recommend ?

I just use a MacBook charger and usb-c cable, even if i don't have any apple devices.

The reason is that I move a lot and forget my chargers one or twice a year in a customer office, a hotel or at the airport.

The MacBook pro charger is very expensive, but charges everything I have and I can buy it pretty much everywhere, including at the last minute in an airport.

It's also rated "best cable on the planet" by Nathan K: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vnpEXfo2HCGADdd9G2x9...

Any cable recommended by Benson Leung or Nathan K will do, anyway.

A good compilation of those: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/wiki/officialguide/usbc...

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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But why?

Power, most likely. You physically couldn’t connect 4-5 full powered devices to a hub. There is an expectation that any USB-C port will accept any power any compatible device.

So instead of a reasonable failure mode and perhaps an error message on the host, we now have an additional USB connector we need to use...?

Re: Explaining 4K 60Hz Video Through USB-C Hub

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That's just bullshit. You can check for how many uses a usbc plug was designed and tested for.

Well, they keep breaking on me and (a) DC barrel connectors (b) headphone jacks (c) XT30U (d) BNC (e) DB9 and a bunch of other connectors almost never break on me.

You're comparing a list of 2 pin connectors to an 18 pin connector.

Perhaps using wireless charging and putting a rubber band round your phone will be a better solution.

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