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John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Post by eanzenberg »

throw231 wrote: post #396
carlosdp wrote: post #68

This doesn't surprise me at all. He went on a week long cabin-in-the-middle-of-nowhere trip about a year ago to dive in to AI (that's all this guy needs to become pretty damn proficient). (edit: I'm not claiming he's a field expert in a week guys, just that he can probably learn the basics pretty fast, especially given ML tech shares many base maths with graphics) As recent as his last Oculus Connect keynote, he exto…

> about a year ago to dive in to AI (that's all this guy needs to become pretty damn proficient). (edit: I'm not claiming he's a field expert in a week guys, just that he can probably learn the basics pretty fast, especially given ML tech shares many base maths with graphics) To be honest anyone who has a very good working knowledge of Linear Algebra can learn much of ML-math in a day. There really isn't anything mat…

ML is not AGI

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Post by sytelus »

xamuel wrote: post #319

I've been dabbling in AGI and it seems like the field has a lot of low-hanging fruit. I'll bet Carmack can offer some significant contributions. I'll take an opportunity to plug a paper I recently published on comparing relative intelligence. The punchline will illuminate the low-hangingness of the fruit in this field. Suppose X and Y are AGIs and you want to know which is more intelligent. For any interactive reward…

Could you summarize what exactly interesting insights did you gained by casting this problem as the election system? Unfortunately abstract fails to communicate this (I hate "teaser-only" abstracts!). Also, it might be easy to go from relative metric to sort of absolute by comparing against a "starndard" agent, for example, a random agent.

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Post by armitron »

zaroth wrote: post #109
carlosdp wrote: post #100

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I'm not saying he's LeCun, I'm just saying he gets up to speed absurdly fast. So it's not unreasonable to suppose that by now, he's learned enough to start seriously contributing to this kind of problem. edit: to be clear, all I'm saying is he can catch up to the body of research already out there quicker than the average bear, and he's shown a real knack for designing solutions and being crazy productive. I'm not pr…

No, you can’t push the envelope in AGI after a week in the woods. That must come off as pretty insulting to the hundreds of world class scientists who have been working in the field for decades.

You seem to have a very blase understanding of scientific progress and genius. The fact that hundreds of world class scientists have been working in a field for decades does not at all mean that a genius can't come along and make groundbreaking progress. That's the very definition of genius, someone that makes a leap "off the path" that nobody before him could make.

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Post by jcims »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #272
jcims wrote: post #246

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This jumping spider has ~600k neurons in its brain - https://youtu.be/UDtlvZGmHYk They are creepy smart.

Just wanted to say holy crap that video was amazing - exciting and suspenseful!

Here's another one for ya if you get stuck with a case of the nosleeps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wKu13wmHog

Something about predatory nature of both insects seems to tune up their intelligence. Of course it never hurts having the BBC tell your story either.

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Post by solipsism »

wpietri wrote: post #409
solipsism wrote: post #390

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A dog brain can't design an artificial dog brain, and a human brain probably can't design a human-level AGI. That's ridiculous. A dog can't draw a dog, therefore a human can't draw a human?

Technically, a human can't draw a human. A human can only draw something that looks like a human to another human . The human viewer is doing most of the work by imagining that the drawn human is real (or by recalling the real human suggested by the drawing). As an example, consider all of these ASCII stick figures: http://www.ascii-art.de/ascii/s/stickman.txt Clearly, it isn't necessary to deeply comprehend the esse…

The philosophical musings about what it means to "draw a human" are pedantic and really not relevant. My point is that "dog cannot do dog-related task" does not imply or even suggest that "human cannot do human-related task". It's pseudo-logic of the sort that is unfortunately often very convincing to people.

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Post by __m »

Chinjut wrote: post #296
doctorpangloss wrote: post #268

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Nobody will want to work in a research program under this guy. He's just way too mean, and being mean is a no to researchers. Also, as other commenters have mentioned, this is a demotion.

I hadn't been aware he was mean. What are examples of this meanness?

He took his cat to the animal shelter because it was getting old. Justice for Mitzi!

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Post by netcan »

eanzenberg wrote: post #410
fastball wrote: post #363

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The problem with the "field of researchers" is that most of us aren't geniuses. We're just plugging away at problems, like normal people. The opportunity for a genius is to come in, synthesize all existing information on the subject, and then come up with a novel approach to the whole thing. In some part, I think that is what Elon Musk has been able to do effectively. He comes into a field that already exists, reads…

What, pray tell, did Elon do that is "novel"?

When pray tells come into the conversation... :)

Re: John Carmack: I’m going to work on artificial general intelligence

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Post by Sebguer »

eanzenberg wrote: post #410
fastball wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with the "field of researchers" is that most of us aren't geniuses. We're just plugging away at problems, like normal people. The opportunity for a genius is to come in, synthesize all existing information on the subject, and then come up with a novel approach to the whole thing. In some part, I think that is what Elon Musk has been able to do effectively. He comes into a field that already exists, reads…

What, pray tell, did Elon do that is "novel"?

Convince people to give him a lot of money to set on fire.
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