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Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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Re: Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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Pretty comical that it ended up being California regulation that would put truckers out of work instead of Silicon Valley automation.

What Silicon Valley companies have put workers out of a job since let’s say 2000? Some of the old companies have like HP and Intel certainly made certain office work redundant and to an extent Oracle. What does HN think?

They're working on it.

As a trucker, I have no problem with automation. No one has the right to any specific job or career.

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Pretty comical that it ended up being California regulation that would put truckers out of work instead of Silicon Valley automation.

> that would put truckers out of work

  s/would/could/
It's still hypothetical at this point.

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The loads hauled by these truckers aren't going to magically vanish because the employment laws have changed, which would strongly suggest there will be about the same number of jobs in the end, since the same amount of work still needs to be done. > Many would have to abandon $150,000 investments in clean trucks I read this as: truckers will no longer be expect to supply their own $150,000 trucks to get into the bus…

I'm in finished vehicle logistics, and I've worked directly with a wide variety of truckers, including three years in California. You are very right that the amount of cargo that needs to be moved will not change because of this law, but you are, in my opinion, wrong about everything else. I don't want to stereotype truckers because it is a diverse group. But I will say that in my anecdotal experience, this is a job…

Note that if trucking prices do go up, the amount of cargo that gets moved will go down.

Re: Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in finished vehicle logistics, and I've worked directly with a wide variety of truckers, including three years in California. You are very right that the amount of cargo that needs to be moved will not change because of this law, but you are, in my opinion, wrong about everything else. I don't want to stereotype truckers because it is a diverse group. But I will say that in my anecdotal experience, this is a job…

Note that if trucking prices do go up, the amount of cargo that gets moved will go down.

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Re: Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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Well, now we know what Yang will be talking about in the debate next week.

Yang is basically a foot note in history at this point.

The overton window is slow, we've known about global warming for decades now and haven't done much. Galvanizing people around automation has got to be that difficult at least.

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As predicted by Andrew Yang. Read "War on normal people"

I don't recall a prediction of laws against this in The War on Normal People. He does mention the changing nature of jobs (most newly created jobs are gig or contract) in the past few years though, and what that means for worker stability (healthcare, etc).

Re: Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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It doesn't ban anything, it just says that certain types of people working in certain arrangements can't be deprived of employment benefits.

"standard employment benefits." And what would those standards be?

The state of California[1] and USA[2] define (via both statue and other jurisprudence) required minimum pay, benefits, working conditions, etc.

[1] https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/dlse-faqs.htm

[2] https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/majorlaws

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What Silicon Valley companies have put workers out of a job since let’s say 2000? Some of the old companies have like HP and Intel certainly made certain office work redundant and to an extent Oracle. What does HN think?

They're working on it. As a trucker, I have no problem with automation. No one has the right to any specific job or career.

So no companies with viable products. Drone trucks that follow a real driver are more realistic than fully automated trucks. Everything I’ve seen from Tesla to GM’s cruise to the German luxury brands is just driver assist tech not self driving.

Im asking about any company since 2000 or mid 1990s that has put people out of jobs. Netflix nope, Alphabet nope, Facebook never.

Salesforce maybe some jobs.

Here’s the SV 150 list.[1] Intel and HP killed paper pushing jobs that could be automated by computers. Adobe probably killed a lot of art departments.

[1] https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/01/sv150-2017-ranking-of...

Re: Truckers sue California, say new gig economy law would kill 70k jobs

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There's a strange political narrative (in California and elsewhere) that people can't possibly make their own living without being ripped off. All it's doing is taking freedom and choice away by squashing freelancers, not creating any new opportunities.

There are no absolute freedoms, otherwise we'd be fine with pay-for-hits markets like what was revealed in the silkroad investigation or child labor. Everything is nuanced and regulated to some degree. The question is where you draw the line, and there's real difference of opinion on this front. The fact we have different states experimenting with these laws is what makes the US form of Federalism great. Expect more…

Are you a freelancer? What if someone told you can no longer the way you want because someone thinks they know better than you?

Protecting people from themselves to the point of eliminating personal freedom and choice isn't going to help anyone.

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