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Re: All Activities Monitored

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Post by pacala »

ohazi wrote: post #3

So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

Extrapolate a bit more. Imagine a Maps app that allows you to see individual people and forward predict their interactions with the world with half second resolution, conditioned on the personalized stimuli you feed them through their electronic devices.

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Post by m463 »

pacala wrote: post #21
ohazi wrote: post #3

So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

Extrapolate a bit more. Imagine a Maps app that allows you to see individual people and forward predict their interactions with the world with half second resolution, conditioned on the personalized stimuli you feed them through their electronic devices.

So, pokemon go, providing incentives for individuals to "achieve" certain locations?

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Post by naringas »

ohazi wrote: post #3

So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

software is transforming humanity's culture and society on a scale comparable with the invention of written language. This has just begun. We ain't seen nothing yet.

Re: All Activities Monitored

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Post by bamboozled »

Animats wrote: post #2

"It's 10 PM. Do you know where your Congressman is?"

This is what I see as the breaks being put on this kind of surveillance.

At some point, everyone is monitored, once the playing field is leveled to include people in high-profile positions also being monitored, I think there will be at lease some revolt from a legal perspective.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

ohazi wrote: post #3

So this surveillance technology started in the military to track insurgents, expanded to law enforcement and government to track suspects and the general public, and is now expanding to corporations to monitor customers. This pattern makes it seem like the cat is out of the bag, and that pervasive expansion and abuse of this technology is all but inevitable. Let's extrapolate a bit and start thinking about what socie…

TRUTH!

In other words the Apocalypse, literally meaning TEOTAWKI (the end of the world as WE know it) by finally removing the veil from reality.

Re: All Activities Monitored

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Post by JohnFen »

gumby wrote: post #11

For some perspective on this level of surveillance (and what it's like when the technology extends to the consumer level) check out this 21 year old book by David Brin, "The Transparent Society: Will Technology Force Us to Choose Between Privacy and Freedom". (Preferably get it from your local library, if you still have one, or a small independent bookseller.)

I have a very hard time picturing how someone could have freedom without privacy.

Re: All Activities Monitored

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Post by kylek »

JohnFen wrote: post #26

This is utterly terrifying. What can we ordinary people do to protect ourselves from this stuff?

This wiki says they use smartphone cameras https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorgon_Stare#Phase_two

Anyone want to build a drone-seeking high-powered-laser-pointer turret to dazzle them?

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Post by sedachv »

mlb_hn wrote: post #12

Seems parts are a bit misleading and exaggerating capabilities. E.g. >> Images from the cameras are in turn fed to computer programs that allow analysts to track suspects, and even to rewind to look back over their paths, like watching TiVo. I'm pretty sure that really just means that they digitized footage and the analysts did the actual tracking manually but it reads as having good image recognition back in 2006.

> I'm pretty sure that really just means that they digitized footage and the analysts did the actual tracking manually but it reads as having good image recognition back in 2006.

I do not know the specifics of the software used in the Gorgon Stare program, but SRI started work on automated image surveillance under DARPA contract in 1982 with ImagCalc. The system was later expanded to video and continued development until two years ago:

http://www.ai.sri.com/software/freedius

I am not sure what year they added automated video tracking. At the 2007 International Lisp Conference Christopher Connolly and/or Lynn Quam (can't remember) showed a demo of FREEDIUS that, among other things, had automated track analysis on aerial and CCTV surveillance footage; by that time the problem was long solved, and they were working on automated event detection.

Same year (2007) the same SRI group also published this paper, "Recovering Social Networks From Massive Track Datasets":

http://www.ai.sri.com/pubs/files/1552.pdf

The "massive track datasets" were automatically derived from surveillance motion sensors, of course.

Automated surveillance capabilities were very far along by 2006.

The really interesting thing is that FREEDIUS is publicly available under the Mozilla Public License:

https://github.com/SRI-CSL/f3d

Drone away!

Re: All Activities Monitored

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Post by krustyburger »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #8
krustyburger wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like something many wealthy people will opt out of by living in communities that are organized around an interest in avoiding it/disallowing it. I’m imagining planned communities that have much higher privacy standards even in their public spaces like shops and parks.

Are you thinking a technological solution to the wide net surveillance or policy?

More likely policy and reliance on the community being composed of like-minded people.
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