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Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by dylan604 »

HeadsUpHigh wrote: post #110
dylan604 wrote: post #93

i'm no fan of FB, and do not have their apps installed. however, the rationale is that they initialize the camera so there is little delay when the user actually wants to use the camera, but the skeptics think the camera being initiated has a more nefarious purpose. scientific method would suggest these are testable theories to prove/disprove. could we not test the network traffic to see if a sudden spike in outbound…

No idea mate but what I've noticed is that when I had the facebook app installed it used to completely trash my battery on every android device I tried it on while running in the background. Imo there must be some kind of processing that they are doing locally.

Would energizing the camera chip the entire time you are using FB apps not explain the battery drain by itself?

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by jasonvorhe »

imchillyb wrote: post #79
nealdt wrote: post #34

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Also nice reminder about that lovely photo of Zuck with a sticker covering up his webcam. Now why would he do something like that ... ?

Those persons stupid enough to leave a webcam uncovered when not in use deserve the consequences of their actions. Those who leave a microphone operational when not in use also deserve the consequences of their actions. Stupid people reap stupid rewards.

This is arrogance and it shouldn't belong here.

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by goatinaboat »

vonmoltke wrote: post #55
goatinaboat wrote: post #38

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In a building he owns, on a network he owns, defended by an army of network engineers he employs? No, he’s not protecting himself from any external threat.

This is common practice among US government employees as well. The fact that Zuck does it as well doesn't say anything about Facebook's practices WRT their users.

This is common practice among US government employees as well

Sure, but they are protecting themselves from the Russian hackers that are in all the US government networks. Zuck is protecting himself from Facebook itself.

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by dylan604 »

eindiran wrote: post #109
lalos wrote: post #106

It's very telling when the CEO of the company puts stickers on his cameras. Bug or not, I guess it's better to follow suit with those that know what's going on. https://simplecapacity.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Mark-Z...

Putting stickers over your cameras might be a reasonable thing to do, but it's pretty silly to pretend your threat model is the same as Mark Zuckerberg's.

I keep reading similar statements on HN. Are we honestly saying that because of Zuck's "stature", there are more people actively attacking him than people taking access of an attack vector to gain access to as many people/devices as possible? Sure, some hacker might get some cred points for being the one to hack the Zuck, but ultimately these guys are after financial gains. This seems to be a prime example of quantity over quality being the better option.

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by [deleted] »

vonmoltke wrote: post #57
nealdt wrote: post #34

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Also nice reminder about that lovely photo of Zuck with a sticker covering up his webcam. Now why would he do something like that ... ?

I do it. My wife does it. My sister does it. The cameras at Bloomberg all had shutters, and I used it there as well. It's just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.

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Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by pc86 »

vonmoltke wrote: post #100
pc86 wrote: post #68

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How does tape over a camera prevent remote takeover specifically?

It doesn't, obviously, and I never said it did. It prevents the camera from being used to surreptitiously record useful information when a machine has been remotely compromised. It's the same reason nothing with a transmitter is permitted in classified areas without specific authorization. Preventing a remote takeover is effectively impossible, but these steps reduce the usefulness of such an action (which is part of…

> > > It's just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.

> > > [Camera shutters are] just good (paranoid?) OPSEC to defend against remote takeover exploits.

> > > [Camera shutters are] ... good ... [defense] against remote takeover exploits.

Clearly I misunderstood your intent, but the comment does seem to indicate what I thought.

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by dewey »

goatinaboat wrote: post #38
have_faith wrote: post #35

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Because he's much more likely to be targeted than any of us for things like that?

In a building he owns, on a network he owns, defended by an army of network engineers he employs? No, he’s not protecting himself from any external threat.

What about taking the laptop outside of the office? Doesn’t seem like a crazy thing to do.

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by 9dl »

vonmoltke wrote: post #101
9dl wrote: post #91

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Why someone want defend corporations? Especially those which breaking law What motivations of such people?

Who here is defending "corporations" (by which I assume you mean corporate bad behavior)? Do you think Facebook and their ilk are the only actors who might want to hijack the cameras on your devices?

There is no good corporate behavior

>Who here is defending "corporations"

dylan604 try to change focus of attention.

This is type of manipulation. And in this context, this is defence

>Do you think Facebook and their ilk are the only actors who might want to hijack the cameras on your devices?

Nope. But for some reason fb can't do QA. At all

And this do most of the work for other "actors"

Why this happens?

Re: Facebook says a bug caused its iPhone app’s inadvertent camera access

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Post by 9dl »

vonmoltke wrote: post #103
9dl wrote: post #74

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If it is misleading then first priority of fb is defending privacy and user data at all costs. Everyone, not just one person Nice

Other than not using them themselves (which, just to be clear, they absolutely should not be doing), how is Facebook supposed to protect everyone from remote camera takeovers?

Do QA

Do a security properly

Do a code for security

Do QA properly

Do not hide thing like Cambridge Analytica

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