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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

You are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than by a gun. Your chances of being killed by a gun are basically zero (unless you are travelling to the US specifically to commit suicide), so that's a somewhat bogus concern

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

sbarre wrote: post #413
g105b wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comment is as mindless as the generalisation it's applying to an entire population.

This is not about the US citizenry but about the state. If you can't actually see how the American state (not population or country) has devolved into something to be concerned about over the last 20 years, perhaps you're not looking hard enough. Domestic politics and policies are cruel and divisive, international policies have regressed dramatically (i.e. they've pulled out of major international treaties around arm…

>This is not about the US citizenry but about the state.

So "stop dealing with the USA" is supposed to mean stop dealing with the US government? I don't think so.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

> a general attitude of being the masters of the world

Sounds like you don't appreciate the regional and resource stability that the US military brings to your country. You probably just take it for granted that cargo ships can travel freely and trade without worry of being attacked. Global trade wasn't this risk-free before the US navy became "masters of the world".

Maybe we need to dissolve NATO then because clearly the EU does not see defense as a priority and puts little to no effort protecting its interests since the US takes care of it. I vote the US pull out of NATO and stop being "masters of the world" in the middle east, protecting shipping lanes with the navy, etc. EU can protect its own interests with its own defense budget. Good luck.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

#484

Post by osullivj »

umvi wrote: post #481
mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

You are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than by a gun. Your chances of being killed by a gun are basically zero (unless you are travelling to the US specifically to commit suicide), so that's a somewhat bogus concern

I'm always amazed by how few shooting fatalities there are in the US. 330M population, 33K gun deaths per annum [1]. And two thirds of the gun deaths are suicides. So that's only 10K homicides per annum. That's 1 in 33K. In the UK we have 65M population, and 800 murders per annum. That's 1 in 81K. Given that the US is so heavily armed I'd expect the gun death rate to be much higher. IMHO that demonstrates that the average person is equal to the responsibility of firearm ownership.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta...

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

ubermonkey wrote: post #475
bluGill wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Death penalty exists, but it is rare. Loaded guns exist, but they are not common. Most of them are in the hands of well trained people who are harmless unless (in the unlikely event) that deadly force is the only way they can get out of the situations. The US has its problems, but you have been listening to propaganda by anti US forces (you might want to figure out who they are and what their agenda is!) if you think…

I'm a US citizen. Most of his points are valid. Guns fucking everywhere is a problem. Lots of Americans think so. Yes, we absolutely execute people -- and our criminal justice system is a completely sham, especially if you're not white and rich. Oh, and God save you from our health care economics. If I weren't American, I'd absolutely never come here. In fact, I am American, and I'm actively researching ways to estab…

> Guns fucking everywhere is a problem.

Which is a bigger problem - guns everywhere or cars everywhere?

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

#486

Post by arayh »

umvi wrote: post #481
mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

You are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than by a gun. Your chances of being killed by a gun are basically zero (unless you are travelling to the US specifically to commit suicide), so that's a somewhat bogus concern

According this article (https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gun-death-murder-risk-sta...) your chances of dying from a motor vehicle incident is approximately three times higher than dying from a gun assault.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Post by umvi »

osullivj wrote: post #484
umvi wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than by a gun. Your chances of being killed by a gun are basically zero (unless you are travelling to the US specifically to commit suicide), so that's a somewhat bogus concern

I'm always amazed by how few shooting fatalities there are in the US. 330M population, 33K gun deaths per annum [1]. And two thirds of the gun deaths are suicides. So that's only 10K homicides per annum. That's 1 in 33K. In the UK we have 65M population, and 800 murders per annum. That's 1 in 81K. Given that the US is so heavily armed I'd expect the gun death rate to be much higher. IMHO that demonstrates that the av…

You can also factor out gang-related gun homocides since your average American/tourist is not involved in organized crime. Basically, the chances of being killed randomly by a mass shooting or random murderer are extremely tiny.

I will say though that even ignoring gun homicides, our average homicide rate in the USA is rather high compared to other western countries.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

#488

Post by Youden »

bluGill wrote: post #434
mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

Death penalty exists, but it is rare. Loaded guns exist, but they are not common. Most of them are in the hands of well trained people who are harmless unless (in the unlikely event) that deadly force is the only way they can get out of the situations. The US has its problems, but you have been listening to propaganda by anti US forces (you might want to figure out who they are and what their agenda is!) if you think…

> The US has its problems, but you have been listening to propaganda by anti US forces (you might want to figure out who they are and what their agenda is!)

I think if you think these things are anti-US propaganda, I think you might want to examine the bias you have when you observe your own country.

The death penalty may be rare but it's something that shouldn't exist, especially in a well-developed country and even moreso in a country that frequently proclaims itself the embodiment of freedom, democracy and liberty.

Having grown up in a country that is very restrictive on gun ownership, I feel largely the same about civilian firearms.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

#489

Post by rsfinn »

umvi wrote: post #483
mlang23 wrote: post #399

Best thing is to just not have anything to do with the US of A. Death penalty, loaded guns everywhere, a general attitude of being the masters of the world which leads to things like suspicionless searches. No, thanks. I think the best would be if more people would actually stop dealing with the USA. Its becoming a trend. I once turned down an invitation to a conference in Hawai, and guess what, I was not alone.

> a general attitude of being the masters of the world Sounds like you don't appreciate the regional and resource stability that the US military brings to your country. You probably just take it for granted that cargo ships can travel freely and trade without worry of being attacked. Global trade wasn't this risk-free before the US navy became "masters of the world". Maybe we need to dissolve NATO then because clearl…

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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

#490

Post by umvi »

arayh wrote: post #486
umvi wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in the US than by a gun. Your chances of being killed by a gun are basically zero (unless you are travelling to the US specifically to commit suicide), so that's a somewhat bogus concern

According this article ( https://www.businessinsider.com/us-gun-death-murder-risk-sta... ) your chances of dying from a motor vehicle incident is approximately three times higher than dying from a gun assault.

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate, I would have assumed the chances of dying by gun assault was even lower. How was the probability of dying from a gun assault calculated? With car accidents you can generally assume random distribution, but you have to do some math with gun statistics before you can assume random distribution (remove suicides, remove gang-related deaths, etc.)
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