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Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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A federal republic is a form of federation, so calling Germany a federation of states is not wrong. Neither is calling it a federal republic more correct; just more specific.

The official name is Federal Republic. I have never seen anybody use the term "German Federation" and can't find many references on Google either.

They wrote it with small capital, which means it was used as a generic term which is completely fine.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Watching a SV company suddenly have to deal with German workers' rights (think: unions, significant protection from being fired without cause, rights to paid holiday and enforced maternity leave, even workers' councils which have representation at a management level) is going to be hilarious.

I get you are joking, but there are two points that I would like to raise: There are many, many SV companies with large offices in parts of the world with very strong workers rights. I work in one of these. There is no problem, other then I'm not expected to work weekends and be on-call at unreasonable hours. If this is required I would need to be compensated for it. Secondly; perhaps I am reading into this, but I ge…

I’m outside the SV bubble for the most part, the “joke” if there was one was that Tesla is going to have serious culture clash if they try to treat their German workers like their workers elsewhere, and I’m going to be reading about the resulting court cases for years.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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The startup culture in Berlin is mediocre at best. I think bringing in proper high tech will be very valuable

What do you see it lacking? Berlin already has a lot. Just many of the "startup scene" aren't really aware of stuff like: Mozilla and HPI (Oracle JVM research) doing cutting edge work. Ableton and Native Instruments as world leaders in niche but influential software. Car2Go and Coup with major financial backing from Mercedes and Bosch. Tons of small seed-stage companies funded by the great smaller VCs here. ECB centr…

Google is now hiring for engineering in Berlin adding to Amazon and Microsoft!

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Good strategy from Treelon overall. You'll have Tesla producing cars and employing thousands of workers in the U.S, China & Germany so that no one would stifle the company's path towards autonomous EV's. This will produce pressure on Europe to ease for instance the AI regulations and basically removed Customs tax from many other countries because Tesla can send the cars from three different locations. I just don't un…

> I just don't understand why Tesla is slow in expanding to other countries. They don't have the capacity. Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them. Opening new markets just means underserving the current ones more. They will start operations in new countries as they increase capacity and start saturating sales in their current ones.

>Last quarter, they made as many M3s they have the capacity to make, and sold all of them.

We were told, repeatedly, that Tesla would be producing 10,000 Model 3s per week in 2019, with a single factory. Suddenly, now, they don't have the capacity at ~6,000 per week and need multiple factories on zero year-over-year growth?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Watching a SV company suddenly have to deal with German workers' rights (think: unions, significant protection from being fired without cause, rights to paid holiday and enforced maternity leave, even workers' councils which have representation at a management level) is going to be hilarious.

They already own Grohmann, so I'm guessing they have a fair idea. I remember a flap at the time about Tesla forcing them to ditch their other clients as quickly as possible, which was a bit of a culture shock, but why else would they have bought them in the first place? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Grohmann_Automation

Grohmann is located at the other end of Germany. Even for them, opening a factory in Brandenburg would probably result in quite a culture shock.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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You are thinking of engineering the cars itself. However, in a factory like this, engineering is much more than that. Engineering, maintaining, and improving the factory won't be an exclusive gig from across the Atlantic (+ Great Plains + Rockys). Aside from that, Brandenburg is rich grounds for the other staff a factory needs. You can combine cheaper EU-labor with mid-range jobs very well in Germany. The only thing…

Shows you how bad Brexit is for the UK that Tesla chose Germany over the UK. Maybe like Italy we need reserved seats in the House of Lords for Engineering and STEM peers.

Do you have any proof that Tesla was going to build a plant in the UK before? Or are you overlooking how Germany has manufacturing and infrastructure more suited to building cars over all other EU members, including the UK!

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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How in the world does Tesla execute so fast? The Tesla team seems relentless in its ambitions.

Checkout this internal memo from Elon just as the Model 3 was going into ramp-up for production: – Excessive meetings are the blight of big companies and almost always get worse over time. Please get of all large meetings, unless you’re certain they are providing value to the whole audience, in which case keep them very short. – Also get rid of frequent meetings, unless you are dealing with an extremely urgent matter…

Pretty cool. The power of compounding is amazing.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Last week, the government of New york wrote down the value of Gigafactory 2 in Buffalo, which has been mired in scandal:

https://www.syracuse.com/state/2019/08/elon-musk-is-full-of-...

Yesterday USA Today published an article about the disaster the Nevada factory has been for the State, and HN didn't care:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2019/1...

Today, Elon mentions a new factory one day will be built in Germany, and HN loves it. This company is bullet proof.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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It’s interesting what kind of talent one needs for a factory. Engineers? I doubt... These will be simple workers, couple equipment operators with some education. All the blueprints are coming from Tesla’s HQ anyway, so not much engineering needed. There is also Tesla in Germany that does all the engineering: https://teslagrohmannautomation.de/de/

You need lots of blue-collar-with-a-doctorate engineers. Batteries are closer to a chemical plant than car manufacturing.

A very important aspect you raise and another reason that falls into Germany's favour.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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You are thinking of engineering the cars itself. However, in a factory like this, engineering is much more than that. Engineering, maintaining, and improving the factory won't be an exclusive gig from across the Atlantic (+ Great Plains + Rockys). Aside from that, Brandenburg is rich grounds for the other staff a factory needs. You can combine cheaper EU-labor with mid-range jobs very well in Germany. The only thing…

Shows you how bad Brexit is for the UK that Tesla chose Germany over the UK. Maybe like Italy we need reserved seats in the House of Lords for Engineering and STEM peers.

I don't know, without Brexit Tesla might have chosen Germany anyway.

There are many good reasons that have already been cited why Germany makes sense, additionally when you're building cars for a whole continent, for shipping reasons it makes sense to build a factory in the middle of it rather than an island on the side.

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