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Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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The well regulated militia is subject to regulation.

In colonial era English language, well regulated refers to something being properly functioning, ie in working order. It has nothing to do with regulations.

More specifically, "regulated" means something like "trained."

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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The well regulated militia is subject to regulation.

In colonial era English language, well regulated refers to something being properly functioning, ie in working order. It has nothing to do with regulations.

Regulations are the means by which you make something be regulated. The relationship between these words hasn't changed.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/regulate

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Heller vs DC: https://s3.amazonaws.com/oyez.case-media.ogg/case_data/2007/...

I'd appreciate a summary of this 23 minute long audio recording ;)

You can skip the recording and read the ruling itself. It is fairly short and there is nothing in it that is difficult to understand.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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If you're on US soil you're subject to US law, including all provisions of the Constitution. And the Constitution makes a distinction between 'citizens' and 'people' (i.e., everybody, including noncitizens)

Aside from all the arguments brought up so far, there's that word "unreasonable" which the courts have historically interpreted with an "expectation of privacy" standard. You have a high expectation of privacy when you're in your house, somewhat less when you're in a car, and much less when you're entering an airport or crossing a border. In the old days, it was routine for customs officers to search ships coming in…

In the old days it was also routine for people to own eachother so I’m not sure how much that really means.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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The well regulated militia is subject to regulation.

In colonial era English language, well regulated refers to something being properly functioning, ie in working order. It has nothing to do with regulations.

That’s absurd. Regulate has had a pretty clear meaning from its Latin origins. (Regula: to rule)

Regulate is a form that appeared in Middle English that means “to control by rules”.

I’m all for guns and appreciating the inscrutable nature of the 2nd amendment. But words mean things.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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> Why is airplane security different than other contexts? Because hundreds of lives are at stake, unlike (most) other contexts like screening college applications or work visa applications. > That's not the real world. There have been white terrorists, christian terrorists, etc. Are you saying terrorists happen at equal frequencies across all demographics? There have been Christian terrorists, yes, but those strike m…

> Are you saying terrorists happen at equal frequencies across all demographics? Are you aware that the person I replied to described a scenario where 100% of attacks came from one group, and 0% from the rest? He was just as wrong as the straw man of me that you constructed. > There have been Christian terrorists, yes, but those strike me as exceedingly rare compared to Muslim terrorists, for example. I bet I know wh…

> And if that's how we decide to bias our security, then we'll see a lot more women terrorists.

There are a lot of things that terrorists could do, but don't, in spite of lots of discourse like yours suggesting it would be effective for them. Bruce Schneier held contests for such suggestions, in order to highlight security theater, but also serving to point out that it's not remotely practical to guard against all reasonable threats. Since we're limiting the threats guarded against anyway, it might be better to guard specifically against those that have been experienced, rather than strip-searching grandma ( https://nypost.com/2019/06/06/tsa-humiliated-grandma-with-st... ) out of a pretense that it could be anyone... anyone at all.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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In colonial era English language, well regulated refers to something being properly functioning, ie in working order. It has nothing to do with regulations.

More specifically, "regulated" means something like "trained."

Q: How were colonial era soldiers trained?

A: Soldiers were trained to follow rules (aka regulations) and obey. Line up shoulder to shoulder and fire 3-5 volleys a minute in a prescribed manner. A rabble would get 1-2 off and die.

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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It means that we can't agree on the list to begin with, and it's not always cut and dry.

I’m sure the people didn’t get together in a referendum and decide to be not-allowed to criticize the government. That’s not a matter of not agreeing, it’s a matter of being told

And in between tyranny and the right of free speech (which not even all modern countries agree on I would add) there's a whole lot of gray. For example, is healthcare a right? How about voting for felons?

Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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I've been seeing this fallacy a lot lately in these times. If you're ever in this situation: the longer you're held without a lawyer, the higher the liability on your captor becomes. Period. This is where million dollar lawsuits by the ACLU and jail time for corruption begins. The US was founded on habeas corpus, and it doesn't matter what laws have been written since, or what national threats have been used as an ex…

There is no constitutional right for people outside of the US to seek asylum in the US. Asylum seekers are granted refugee status by the United Nations if they meet two broad requirements. The US accepts a limited number each year (notably more than any other country since WW2, however).

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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional

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Not sure if parent is talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_border_precleara... or not, but yes, that's a thing.

I recommend caution when asking the agents at Shannon if the Republic of Ireland still has sovereignty from the United States of America. In my experience, it hits a nerve.

Why would you ask that?
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