How about everyone goes to work and does their job and goes home. You can believe X, I can believe Y, and both of us believe Z, but XYZ doesn’t have anything to do with doing our jobs so we shouldn’t let it prevent us from doing our jobs. Super cool that everyone likes their own things though, I support liking things unrelated to job, just weird that people demand that their job adheres to whatever weird thing they like.
One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
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Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
#12Sometimes, people problems can't be solved by technological means. Sometimes you just have to talk to people. A while back I was contemplating introducing a small app for team members to express sentiments (whether they're feeling stressed, satisfied, unappreciated, worried etc), but I eventually decided that nothing beats a private conversation.
The theory behind managers soliciting anonymous comments from workers is that this cuts through preference falsification. Preference falsification is when somebody lies about their beliefs or opinions, often due to perceived social pressure or lack of trust. Preference falsification is a real problem, not just in business settings but throughout the broad domain of human interaction.
Unfortunately soliciting anonymous comments is often ineffective at combating preference falsification because when a boss tells their workers that comments are anonymous, the workers simply don't believe it (and often they're right not to.)
Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
#13I've liked many things about Google over the years and I still admire many parts of their stack. But this crazy internal political culture is bound to end in a big kaboom and it looks like this might be it. Evolution has created the rules that one doesn't mix politics with business. Google has skirted this rule for some time but now it's not going to be pretty.
> Evolution has created the rules that one doesn't mix politics with business
This 'rule' is a purely artificial construct encouraged to ensure the common employees keep their heads down and let those in charge continue screwing over them and/or society. The history of organized labor involves no less than straight murder of labor activists by company owners.
Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
#14> " the other tracked the individual calendars of staff working in the community platforms, human resources, and communications teams, she said. The tracking had made the staff in those departments feel unsafe, the spokeswoman said. [...] The suspensions have been a hot topic of discussion at the company in the last week, stoking anger among some workers and prompting claims that Google is punishing people who have t…
Is that a good way to cope with confusing events, to assume that other people are just being totally unreasonable?
> I assume they don't believe that's what actually happened, _OR_ they're just being totally unreasonable..
I don't know which is the case. Those are the two likely possibilities that I perceive, and I lean towards the former being more likely than the later. Part of my motivation for leaving this comment was to give others the opportunity to put forth other possibilities, or perhaps to shine some light on what the other side believes the facts of the case are.
Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
#15I've liked many things about Google over the years and I still admire many parts of their stack. But this crazy internal political culture is bound to end in a big kaboom and it looks like this might be it. Evolution has created the rules that one doesn't mix politics with business. Google has skirted this rule for some time but now it's not going to be pretty.
> Evolution has created the rules that one doesn't mix politics with business.
This works until you must, by necessity, either mix work and politics or suffer some indignity.
Advocating for parental leave? Politics. Mothers rooms? Politics. Prayer rooms? Politics. Trans inclusive health care? Politics. Domestic partner benefits? Politics.
Unfortunately, for many folks politics at work is a reality whether they want them to be or not, just because of who they are.
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#16How about everyone goes to work and does their job and goes home. You can believe X, I can believe Y, and both of us believe Z, but XYZ doesn’t have anything to do with doing our jobs so we shouldn’t let it prevent us from doing our jobs. Super cool that everyone likes their own things though, I support liking things unrelated to job, just weird that people demand that their job adheres to whatever weird thing they l…
How is that related to Google's efforts to curb unionization?
Re: One Google Staffer Fired, Two Others Put on Leave Amid Tensions
#17As an engineer, I revel in avoiding these monolithic supercorps. I don't know why anyone would want to work in centralizing innovation and creativity into the hands of a few greedy people.
It pays really well.
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#18After what happened to Damore I am happy to hear that Google’s “activism” culture is finally getting pushback because they became bold enough to attack the company’s financial interests.
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#19How about everyone goes to work and does their job and goes home. You can believe X, I can believe Y, and both of us believe Z, but XYZ doesn’t have anything to do with doing our jobs so we shouldn’t let it prevent us from doing our jobs. Super cool that everyone likes their own things though, I support liking things unrelated to job, just weird that people demand that their job adheres to whatever weird thing they l…
How do you square that with stuff like whether your company should, for example, support same sex partner benefits, trans inclusive healthcare, prayer rooms, etc?
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#20The farm is starting to get riled up.