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Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #17

I have, on occasion, wanted to start a monastic order of really well dressed physicists. So many scientists are so poorly dressed, I just want to start an order where you must be impeccably dressed in an expensive suit and tie at all times.

>you must be impeccably dressed in an expensive suit and tie at all times

Why? What is it about this attire that makes you want to do that.

All I can see is that such dress is an attempt to feel superior over others and that your belonging to such a group would allow for the feeling of superiority without the effort of intellectual advancement?

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

#32
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of Hillis' observation that relics like the Dead Sea Scrolls are safe while lost but endangered by being found and put in a museum. http://longnow.org/essays/millennium-clock/

Well, of course the relics that we've discovered were safe while they were lost. Because otherwise we wouldn't have discovered them. That doesn't mean that being lost is safer than being in a museum. (Perhaps it is , but where's the evidence?)

>(Perhaps it is, but where's the evidence?)

The relics that were safe through social meltdowns and other problems are the evidence.

There are pretty safe assumptions that lead to that position too - museums will get destroyed just as other municipal buildings would in a period of societal collapse. Imagine you're uneducated, living in what was a museum and need to build a fire ...

If the artefacts are still safely ensconced in a not yet rediscovered cave then they're relatively safe.

We get a lot of our historic information from ceramic and stone artifacts - I wonder what durable items we might pass down through the millenia?

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of Hillis' observation that relics like the Dead Sea Scrolls are safe while lost but endangered by being found and put in a museum. http://longnow.org/essays/millennium-clock/

Well, of course the relics that we've discovered were safe while they were lost. Because otherwise we wouldn't have discovered them. That doesn't mean that being lost is safer than being in a museum. (Perhaps it is , but where's the evidence?)

Well, one piece of evidence is what happened to the museums in Baghdad in 2003, not to mention the things that were lost in Berlin in '45.

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #17

I have, on occasion, wanted to start a monastic order of really well dressed physicists. So many scientists are so poorly dressed, I just want to start an order where you must be impeccably dressed in an expensive suit and tie at all times.

Perhaps I'm getting grumpier as I'm getting older but yes! And can I start an engineers branch of Really Well Dressed?

You should dress according to your age. You don't get any younger/cooler by dressing like a teenager. Put on some nice clothes, learn some manners and grow up.

Now get off my lawn :-)

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, how about the one that preserved knowledge through the dark ages then?

Isn't a lot of modern academic opinion turning against the idea of any kind of significant 'dark age' actually having occurred in Europe? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages

They seem to be avoiding the term "Dark Age" but there is no doubt that there was a huge collapse in the infrastructure of civil society and technology after the Western Empire ended.

Note that there was also an earlier Bronze Age "Dark Age" in Eastern Europe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_collapse

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #16
post #12

Why would anybody want to copy an education system that arguably set Europe back 1000 years?

Well, how about the one that preserved knowledge through the dark ages then?

If it hadn't been for religion, we wouldn't have spent 1000 years in the dark ages.

So the preserved knowledge is only a tiny slither of what they destroyed.

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #10

When would I have had time for significant manual labor in college? Ask a grad student working 72 hours a week in the lab to grow their own food instead of snarfing down ramen at their desk, and see how much research gets done. :/

Part of his proposal is that people would never be forced to leave. I suspect that many grad students would trade a year or two longer researching at a more relaxed pace, combined with some less intellectually intense manual labor, for how things work now.

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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post #18

...good luck? Engineering school makes even the most dedicated student wonder why they're even bothering at times. And now you'll take away getting laid, fucking off, bitching, and Starcraft. And you'll have them do additional manual labor on top of that. I think part of the reason these monasteries have such sterling reputations is cause we never hear about the failures. No one really bothered recording the number o…

"What would it be like if college students felt that they were called to a vocation rather than simply getting their tickets stamped so they can get middle-class jobs, if they are lucky?" You're not going to spawn Zuckberg, Obama, or the next cure for cancer and you'll fall behind China and India, while your kids wonder why they never got a shot at being the world leaders of tomorrow. Now I don't mean to say that the…

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Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

#39
Are we talking about the nominal regulations, or the way things actually ran? Cf. Chaucer, Rabelais, and the Goliardic poems for some information on the latter. Gutenberg's version of Rabelais is a very old translation, but I append a sample anyway:

Going from Bourges, he came to Orleans, where he found store of swaggering scholars that made him great entertainment at his coming, and with whom he learned to play at tennis so well that he was a master at that game. For the students of the said place make a prime exercise of it; and sometimes they carried him unto Cupid's houses of commerce (in that city termed islands, because of their being most ordinarily environed with other houses, and not contiguous to any), there to recreate his person at the sport of poussavant, which the wenches of London call the ferkers in and in. As for breaking his head with over-much study, he had an especial care not to do it in any case, for fear of spoiling his eyes. Which he the rather observed, for that it was told him by one of his teachers, there called regents, that the pain of the eyes was the most hurtful thing of any to the sight. For this cause, when he one day was made a licentiate, or graduate in law, one of the scholars of his acquaintance, who of learning had not much more than his burden, though instead of that he could dance very well and play at tennis, made the blazon and device of the licentiates in the said university, saying,

  So you have in your hand a racket,
  A tennis-ball in your cod-placket,
  A Pandect law in your cap's tippet,
  And that you have the skill to trip it
  In a low dance, you will b' allowed
  The grant of the licentiate's hood.

Re: Is it time to return to the medieval way of life on college campuses?

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Bring together a core group of serious-minded but underemployed academics—who already have adopted a life of poverty ... instead of preparing students to leave the institution, we encouraged some of them to stay, joining us in work and reflection.

Sounds like a typical grad school.

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