Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's no more or less disturbing for journalists to be subjected to this. They're not some special class of protected people.
Hmm...I thought they actually were a special class of protected people.
Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
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Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only because the Supreme Court decided in 5-to-4 decision that the states don't have a "substantial state interest" that would allow them to deny it. See Plyler v. Doe. Which is to say, the constitutional rights of non-citizens are hardly as obvious as they are for citizens.
This follows logically, in my opinion, from the idea that the federal government is solely responsible for matters of immigration law. You don't want to create a patchwork of different rules in different states based on presence granted and retracted at the sole discretion of the federal government. Once you're on US soil, you're largely treated the same as anyone else on US soil (or at least through the same framewo…
This argument makes sense, but I think it proves too much: states already have plenty of laws that restrict certain rights or privileges to citizens only. Your argument, as I understand it, is that since immigration status is a matter of federal law, states cannot deny a right (to K-12 education) on the basis of immigration status -- but it is commonly accepted that they can and do deny such a right in other circumstances, e.g. to serve as a police officer, for example, which I'm quite sure state laws deny to illegal immigrants.
are largely seen out as soon as their sentence is served
What do you mean by "seen out", exactly?
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure about the legal justification, but I don't think that is true in practice. For example a tourist or someone on an expired visa (edit: or an unexpired but non-immigrant visa) doesn't have the same 2A rights as a US citizen or permanent resident.
I don't think that is true in practice It is true in practice. One example: the children of illegal immigrants are legally entitled to public education, even though they aren't citizens.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-court-guns-immi...
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evidence from an illegal search cannot be used in court. https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=2087
But they don’t need to take you to court to refuse you entry and put you on the first flight back home...
So yes they can just send you back, it is in their capabilities and there's nothing the foreigner can do to counter that decision.
Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a silly (mis)characterization of what this is. Some rights are only afforded to the citizenry, and that is not inherently evil and is often the only reasonable approach. Other rights are afforded to everyone. The discussion centers around teasing out what the Constitution means when it uses person/people.
I don’t think it’s silly to suggest that maybe all humans should have the same protections against their rights being violated.
Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Does this apply to the "special Constitution zone" that intrudes 100 miles inland from the US border? This is specifically about border searches, so, insofar as such a zone exists (the description is hyperbolic and more useful for motivating activism that any kind of analytical application), yes. > Doesn't matter if it's constitutional or not if you're in a no-constitution zone. There is no such thing. There is an…
> There is no such thing. No, you admit there is such a thing, you just call it something differently. We're clearly talking about the same thing, whatever we choose to call it, it exists. What you call "executive asserted zone in which [the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures does not apply]", I call a "no Constitution zone". It's clearer. As far as activism goes, the way I see it: w…
The editorial insertion is not correct, and is the source of the problem. Neither the statute (which is ambiguous as to exact geographic extent) nor the executive interpretation asserts the inapplicability of the Constitutional protection against unreasonable searches within the zone, it authorizes an extremely narrow category of warrantless searches (the courts have consistently held that warrantless searches can be reasonable, and that statutory authorization for a sufficiently narrow and appropriate purpose is a significant factor in favor of finding a warrantless search reasonable; there is no serious debate over whether what the statute seeks to authorize is Constitutionally appropriate and within some geographic boundaries, the entire debate, after you get past the hyperbolic posturing, is over two questions: whether 100 miles is more than is reasonable, and whether the failure of the statute to explicitly say a reasonable boundary impermissibly delegates the boundary-setting to the executive.)
> As far as activism goes, the way I see it: we can either use plain language to convey a pretty good approximation of the situation
It's not a good approximation of the situation, as taking it as even an approximation suggests things like your upthread misapprehension that it would be germane to a search of data on devices rather than a search of vehicles for unauthorized immigrants.
Look, I agree with what the ACLU is seeking to acheive with it's hyperbolic portrayal and even think that most uses that the ACLU makes of that portrayal are warranted for that purpose (and I think both that 100 air miles is too great a distance and the failure of Congress to set explicit boundaries makes the statute unreasonable.) But it's not even remotely a good approximation of the actual situation, except perhaps in the narrow context of discussion narrowly focussed on immigration enforcement.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
As an American I'm very confused why clear constitutional violations don't warrant any repercussions on the perpetrating individuals. So I work for a company that deals with medical data, if I violate HIPAA, I don't get to just keep doing it until a federal court says stop and then walk away as if nothing happened. I'm personally held responsible for those violations. Not just my company, me. Why aren't each of these…
The Constitution does not specify punishments for violating it. Congress could pass legislation specifying punishments in accordance with this ruling, but it would not be retroactive.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except travelers are not "on us soil" until granted entry by customs. Customs could just deny entry if foreign travelers won't voluntarily consent to search.
If you make that argument then the customs officers are also NOT on US soil and have no authority to search phones (or do anything) at all
They even had 2 canine units circle my car and jump in and out of it at least 10 times each.
Talk about a heavy handed approach.
Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're on US soil you're subject to US law, including all provisions of the Constitution. And the Constitution makes a distinction between 'citizens' and 'people' (i.e., everybody, including noncitizens)
Except travelers are not "on us soil" until granted entry by customs. Customs could just deny entry if foreign travelers won't voluntarily consent to search.
Re: Court: Suspicionless Searches of Travelers’ Phones and Laptops Unconstitutional
#180Open question, here: Doesn't this backfire and make TSA more likely to operate on the basis of profiling alone? What makes a traveler suspect? This reminds me of Sowell's distinction between 'Type I' and 'Type II' discrimination: when all other information is forbidden from you, you'll end up using the only information you have as your heuristic, however noisy and biased that information might be compared to a more c…
Unpopular opinion: why is profiling bad in context of airplane security? If 100% of airplane terrorist attacks are carried out by people of X country (Xians), and 0% of airplane terrorist attacks are carried out by people from Y country (Yians), it seems like a pointless charade of political correctness to check Xians and Yians with equal frequency. I say profile the heck out of Xians. Stop and frisk 100% of Xians an…