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Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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According to [1], slaved population by Aztec was sacrificed by the thousands, so I could see the slaved people treating the newcomers as gods, or more likely liberators and joining them in the war against Aztec Empire.

[1] https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/feeding-gods-hundred...

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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post #68

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The Spanish try to whitewash their atrocities by speaking of a purposeful campaign of defamation from rival powers. So successful it was, apparently, that it made disctinct stories of Spanish brutality materialize in every country in the Americas. The legend of the Black Legend also emphasizes the enlightenment of the Crown's laws regarding the legal status and treatment of indigenous peoples. Unfortunately the rumor…

Not true at all. English made propaganda about supposed atrocities and that propaganda is alive today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend

Yes, it is alive because the Spanish did do things like cutting the hands and feet of entire indigenous settlements, as they did with the village from which the mapuche general who resisted the initial Spanish drive into Chile suffered.

The somewhat reasonable laws regarding the encomienda system were pervasively circumvented by the encomenderos by always demanding tribute in labor, and having it paid for generations.

The mestizaje and conversion to Christianity was used, in the end, to also circumvent laws regarding the treatment of natives by creating an entirely new underclass of people lacking in rights.

The Black Legend is what's known in Latin America as "history".

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

#73
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. English made propaganda about supposed atrocities and that propaganda is alive today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend

Yes, it is alive because the Spanish did do things like cutting the hands and feet of entire indigenous settlements, as they did with the village from which the mapuche general who resisted the initial Spanish drive into Chile suffered. The somewhat reasonable laws regarding the encomienda system were pervasively circumvented by the encomenderos by always demanding tribute in labor, and having it paid for generations…

Spanish Crown edicted some laws to protect the natives https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos

What legal protection had the native population in the American colonies or British Empire?

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. English made propaganda about supposed atrocities and that propaganda is alive today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend

Yes, it is alive because the Spanish did do things like cutting the hands and feet of entire indigenous settlements, as they did with the village from which the mapuche general who resisted the initial Spanish drive into Chile suffered. The somewhat reasonable laws regarding the encomienda system were pervasively circumvented by the encomenderos by always demanding tribute in labor, and having it paid for generations…

Pretty interesting how independent latin-american governments succeeded in conquering native lands and subjugating native population: See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Araucan%C3%ADa

Please note I'm giving sources.

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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I don't understand why Thanksgiving is celebrated at all. Its a bunch of religious bigots who left England for Holland because England was too religiously tolerant. They then had to leave Holland because they felt threatened by the fact that their children didn't want to continue their religion and were 'going native'. So they head off to the English colonies in America where they settle land cleared of native Indian…

They "founded" America and their values persist into modern day in one form or another. We will always have a puritan(ical) streak.

> They "founded" America

No, they didn't, either in fact or tradition. We have a set of people honored as founders, and it's not the Pilgrims.

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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My understanding, after reading the memoir of Bernal diaz Del Castillo[0] (who was an eye witness of the conquest of Mexico), is that it was Montezuma II who purposefully spread rumors saying that the conquistador were returning gods so that people would stop fighting them and start trading with them. It was not superstitious belief from ignorant savages, it was a political move. [0]: which I highly recommend, they a…

Which contradicts the article, which I suspect is based on that book that has some shifty agenda to re-write history. The fact is, at least technologically, Europeans might as well have been gods. Anyone doubting this just read the history, a handful of Spanish conquering a whole empire (twice!). Imagine if Spain wanted to engage in a full fledged war with the Aztecs or Incas. They could have easily wiped out everybody.

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

#77
I feel like if I were an Aztec and came across a mysterious figure covered from head to foot in silver plates and on top of a massive beast, I'd be highly intimidated albeit curious as to what he was. If I saw him off the creature and possibly out of the silver plates, then I'm not so sure that I'd see him as a deity.

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true at all. English made propaganda about supposed atrocities and that propaganda is alive today: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_legend

Yes, it is alive because the Spanish did do things like cutting the hands and feet of entire indigenous settlements, as they did with the village from which the mapuche general who resisted the initial Spanish drive into Chile suffered. The somewhat reasonable laws regarding the encomienda system were pervasively circumvented by the encomenderos by always demanding tribute in labor, and having it paid for generations…

Spain recognized independence of Mapuche Nation after more than one hundred years of war [1][2].

Chile and Argentina started a war campaign against them [2][3][4]. The Mapuches call it the Last Massacre (La última masacre in Spanish)[1].

[1] https://www.mapuche-nation.org/english/html/m_nation/main/m_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arauco_War

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Araucan%C3%ADa

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

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post #55

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No, but they are all ignorant. That's the whole point. You can come to your own conclusions about your own religious beliefs, but if you blindly accept what someone tells you, you are acting in ignorance. Again, you're choosing to use the word savage.

You seem to have this idea that people pick up the Bible, read "Jesus walked on water", and go "Wow, praise God!" In actuality, what matters isn't the claims the Bible makes, but the actual words that Jesus and the prophets speak. These words are packed with timeless superhuman wisdom, sort of like ancient Greek philosophers except on steroids. A sincere Christian wrestles with God and with the scriptures. "The seed…

I didn't say that all religious people were like that.

I said religious people that just listen to what a religious figure says and believes it are. Which is what we were discussing happened with the Aztecs. If a christian does it it's also ignorant.

What you describe isn't ignorance. Stop trying to make me seem unreasonable by distorting my arguments.

Re: Why was it believed that the Aztecs greeted Cortés as a deity?

#80
European technology was just that much more advanced. It's like joining a game of Civ around turn 60 when your opponents have already researched, traded, and discovered a bunch of tech. When your civilizations meet you will just not have a chance. The whole mediterranean was a meeting grounds for dozens of civilizations, if not more, where for millenia people traded goods and technologies. It was really a matter of luck that the ancestors of the Aztecs picked a far away land that was tough to farm and little animals to domesticate, and no one else around to share information with.
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