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Re: New York City is a mall

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Just look at Tokyo as an example of what a city organically grows into. Every major transport hub is filled with shopping and food. NYC is abit the same way. I like it. People generally don't like living right next to transportation hubs, so why not make those areas commercial space.

Everyone likes having many options for dining, so that's the main draw. Dining naturally has waiting, so why not have shopping for waiting diners to kill some time and even act as buffer space between dining options. Movie theaters and museums are great before/after meal activities. Throw in some office space so there's weekday/daytime business for restaurants and better utilization of parking and transportation.

Now you've created a place where people want to be that's convenient to get to. That's what a city is, isn't it? Just without the typical city drawbacks like crime, trash, vehicles, pollution, and homelessness.

Re: New York City is a mall

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I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

Brooklynite here, but I've lived all over the country.

We don't need your pity. There might be better examples of what an urban center could be, and some aspects of NYC are definitely a shitshow. But in my not-so-humble opinion -- nowhere else in the states comes close.

Re: New York City is a mall

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I would be glad to see farmers markets and public green space with living plants and places for children to play freely displace them all.

Would it work economically though? Are there enough farmers and demand for products to make it commercially viable in manhattan?

There are already multiple farmer's markets in the city. There are vendors coming in from PA, NJ, CT, and upstate.

Re: New York City is a mall

#17
Sounds like Westfield Bondi Junction. Most space used effectively. Large supermarkets in the mall. Cafes in the open corridor space. Intentionally confusing to get around.

Btw, do American shops have parents rooms yet?

Re: New York City is a mall

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post #9

I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

Lived in NYC (Manhattan and Brooklyn) five years, experienced highs and lows, started a business, closed one, took a traditional job and contract jobs, so I saw a lot. it's extremely overrated and overhyped. Lots of good, interesting people, but also lots of pretty awful ones (usually from somewhere else). Ultimately, the quality of life is poor and even London is far more livable than New York.

Edit: the rapid downvotes show how fragile the egos of New Yorkers are, this was always something I knew... really can't handle being told New York isn't the greatest place in the world!

Re: New York City is a mall

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post #9

I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

Brooklynite here, but I've lived all over the country. We don't need your pity. There might be better examples of what an urban center could be, and some aspects of NYC are definitely a shitshow. But in my not-so-humble opinion -- nowhere else in the states comes close.

> nowhere else in the states comes close.

True, but his examples were not from the US, which is reasonable. The USA does cities very poorly. New York has been forced into some true urban functionality by being the biggest city in the US, but that doesn't mean it's a fine model.

Re: New York City is a mall

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post #9

I have to say that I feel bad for New Yorkers. I live in the middle of the country, but I work for a company on the lower east-side. I’m often in Manhattan, so I think I have a feel for what it’s like there and there is such a poverty of what a global city could be there. I’ve seen quite a bit of the world and dense Spanish urban centers are much better than Manhattan. Barcelona has created super blocks, which are th…

Brooklynite here, but I've lived all over the country. We don't need your pity. There might be better examples of what an urban center could be, and some aspects of NYC are definitely a shitshow. But in my not-so-humble opinion -- nowhere else in the states comes close.

Whataboutism isn’t a defense. OP was pointing out that, as an outsider, it’s obvious NYC is lame for the class of city it’s trying to be.

You don’t have to be a regular at a restaurant to point out its flaws.

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