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Re: Renaissance Technologies

#191
post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

They have massive alpha. Why is this so confusing to outsiders. Huge effort on detailed historical data sets combined with top of the world modeling techniques creates alpha, it shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#192
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be frank, running this sham for 30 years sounds less plausible to me than beating the market the boring way. How would you stop investors in your two public funds (and their accountants) from asking pointed questions about disbursements from one fund to the others? Do you plan to fool them for this amount of time, or bring them into the conspiracy? And how will you sustain the conspiracy when your other two funds…

There would be no disbursements from one fund to the other. Fund A would purchase an asset slowly over time. When it has finished purchasing the asset, fund B would purchase that asset quickly at a scale large enough to increase the market price of it. As the price rose, fund A would sell its position. The net effect is that fund A sees increased returns and fund B sees decreased returns.

Hopefully not a silly question, isn’t this just a classic pump and dump scheme?

Wouldn’t this be exceedingly traceable over time? Are trades not public over time? Especially larger positions?

Or do we only know when Berkshire Hathaway (for instance) sells off some Coca Cola stock because it’s a publicly traded firm?

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#193
post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

Sounds like you've assumed that rentech are running the same volatility as the S&P 500. That's very unlikely to be true - most systematic hedge funds ran crazy high risk in the '80s and '90s. But even if you assume it's a coin toss as to whether they perform well in any given year, twenty good years in a row is impressive. My best guess is that it's a combination of luck, skill, and hindsight bias. Rentech probably h…

> There were also many other players: had LTCM not blown themselves up, we might be marvelling at their investment prowess now.

This is nonsense. Rentech makes 1000s+ of transactions per day across numerous asset classes. It is 99% skill. It’s black box automated.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#194
post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I'm saying it's both skill and luck, combined with hindsight bias. They're famous because Medallion is the best performing quant fund . Even if quant funds were just chumps tossing coins, if you pick the best of a number of them, you'll get something that looks good. Now that maths still doesn't stack up that they were just lucky - they probably had skill too. But I think it's more likely that they had a modest…

Thing is, with the amount of leverage they are running, it's more luck than skill. Luck means making big returns, skill means doing it with low volatility and high Sharpe.

You really don’t know what you are saying. The leverage is to boost absolute returns. Sharpe isn’t changed by leveraging. They are automated black box strategies making 1000s of trades a day with massive undeniable statistically significant information content.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#195
post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "it's a scam" angle is they're insider trading.

Not necessarily, they could be money laundering instead.

Continuing the speculation, they could be just "picking" the stocks after the fact when the returns are already known, iff there is no external record of their positions and transactions

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#196
post #140
post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

The "it's a scam" angle is they're insider trading.

They probably have significantly better raw data sets than even their competitors like AQR or Two Sigma. Satellite data on parking lots. Credit card swipe statistics. Parsed and structures full financials. Supplier consumer relationships. Analyst data. Short interest data. Options activity. Fund holdings. ... Everything you can possibly think of. All integrated into a single streamline analytical and modeling technological infrastructure.

So yes to us little people it is insider trading. But I’m 99% sure it is real alpha at the core.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#197
post #171

So, assuming nothing against the law, how would they do it legitly? I am guessing: - Treat the markets as a complex dynamical system and use the tools from statistical physics such as the Gibbs Ensemble, to derive internal states from input and output. - Treat the markets as an encryption algorithm and use the tools from cryptanalysis, such as differential cryptanalysis: Even when unable to decipher the full algorith…

We all know of market manipulation, like the story of the high school kid spamming stocks to Yahoo message boards [1], but what of competitor, - industry - or country manipulation? You find out that your competitor is trading on search trend signals, so manipulate the signals and bet against them. Model predicts high uncertainty for the British Pound, so bet against the Pound, and promote a Brexit. Model predicts copper will see long-term uptrend, so go long on copper futures, invest in heavy copper-use industry to expand their operations, strategically advise them to go long-stock on copper so they have an advantage over competition, later stage investors will notice the positive industry news and growth - and the uptrend in copper. All of demand and scarcity for copper will rise and your investments profitable.

BTW: RenTech made a fortune when they were long on oil futures and the Iraq war happened. Another possible legit use for the NSA/CIA type recruits could be for geopolitical intelligence.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/21/business/sec-says-teenage...

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#198
post #171

So, assuming nothing against the law, how would they do it legitly? I am guessing: - Treat the markets as a complex dynamical system and use the tools from statistical physics such as the Gibbs Ensemble, to derive internal states from input and output. - Treat the markets as an encryption algorithm and use the tools from cryptanalysis, such as differential cryptanalysis: Even when unable to decipher the full algorith…

> Treat the markets as a complex dynamical system and use the tools from statistical physics such as the Gibbs Ensemble, to derive internal states from input and output.

No. This is what people like LTCM believe. It does not work, the underlying processes driving markets constantly change.

> - Treat the markets as an encryption algorithm and use the tools from cryptanalysis, such as differential cryptanalysis: Even when unable to decipher the full algorithm (total break), one may still derive details and a subset of system functionality.

- They were probably the first to heavily use Hidden Markov Models (see Baum–Welch algorithm and the IBM speech recognition recruitment) and keep on the frontline with new machine learning algorithms (their deep learning revolution would have started 10-15 years before industry).

Yes, and as a fun note, Peter Brown, their current CEO, was Geoff Hinton's grad student.

- They'd have an extremely solid backtesting pipeline, where any new feature can be stress-tested for signal. Features could be very arcane (% of mentions of the currency on neighboring state television) and are constantly (re-)added and removed: concept drift and market competition would gradually weaken signals, but fresh signals are added to keep the performance.

- The extreme returns for 2007/2008 could be due to the increase in volatility of the crisis (you can make more money when there is a lot of action, and competitors suffer from human herd bias / hysteria), but also, in part, due to them being the first to effectively exploit signals in growing social media platforms and search engines. A few years later it was public knowledge that gauging frequency and sentiment on Twitter was once a valuable signal.

- The NSA/CIA type recruits would not work on industrial spying, but on cryptanalysis, (graph) data mining, OSINT, HUMINT, IMINT, and for the security of the firm (which probably runs a tighter security than the intelligence agencies of smaller countries).

All correct.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#199
post #132

Here's some inside baseball: I recently graduated from Stony Brook University where Jim Simons chaired the math department in the 1960s. He left to start Renaissance Technologies which is located 1 mile down the street from campus. Their influence is everywhere. We have a Simons Center for Geometry and Physics ($150m building). I take classes in Frey Hall (Robert Frey used be managing director at Rentec). Our med sch…

Don't forget the yachts in the Stony Brook marina! I always smiled as I passed the giant 'Matrix Rose'. No need to ask where the money for that one came from.

Just googled the yacht - its pretty small for someone of his wealth. Check out the late Paul Allen's yacht Octopus or MY Eclipse for what some billionaires go for.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

#200
post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

Sounds like you've assumed that rentech are running the same volatility as the S&P 500. That's very unlikely to be true - most systematic hedge funds ran crazy high risk in the '80s and '90s. But even if you assume it's a coin toss as to whether they perform well in any given year, twenty good years in a row is impressive. My best guess is that it's a combination of luck, skill, and hindsight bias. Rentech probably h…

I'd be curious what their risk-adjusted returns are, especially in a leverage free environment. Anybody know where to find such information for RenTec (or other hedge/mutual funds for that matter)?
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