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Mexican mammoth trap provides first evidence of prehistoric hunting pits

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Re: Mexican mammoth trap provides first evidence of prehistoric hunting pits

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Confused. What evidence was found, to indicate these mammoths didn't just stumble into the pit? Was the pit man-made? Tool marks on the mammoth bones? Evidence of hunting implements?

One spear mark is pretty slim evidence, but that's all they mentioned.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn’t Native Americans use horses? So they were using European horses?

Yes they were European horses, first brought by the Spanish. Once they arrived Native Americans started using horses quite quickly.

As an interesting cultural bullet. The American Cowboy tradition is heavily influenced by the Northern-Mexican Vaqueros.

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Do people seriously believe ancient humans hunted mammoths? I thought it's just a popular myth (some people even believe they rode dinosaurs, you know). Weren't there other animals handier to hunt?

Ya, but a single mammoth could provide exponentially more meat for the same efforts of hunting multiple smaller animals.

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> Hunters may have used torches to scare the mammals into the area with the traps, which are about 6ft (1.70m) deep and 25 yards in diameter, but one of the skulls found also had marks of a spear wound on the front. I find humans amazing. An adult mammoth is something even the more largest predators would not attempt to hunt. And yet, here is a band of puny 2 legged mammals armed with sticks with a flint at the end,…

They had larger brains than us.

I think the generally this sort of comparison is based on the brain:body size ratio.

Re: Mexican mammoth trap provides first evidence of prehistoric hunting pits

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes they were European horses, first brought by the Spanish. Once they arrived Native Americans started using horses quite quickly.

As an interesting cultural bullet. The American Cowboy tradition is heavily influenced by the Northern-Mexican Vaqueros.

What about gauchos? Argentina used to supply a lot of beef to the word such that they had been prosperous at one time.

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Related interesting info: Eating bone marrow played a key role in the evolution of the human hand https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180711105725.h... Prehistoric humans ate bone marrow like canned soup 400,000 years ago https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/10/191009142902.h...

> Eating bone marrow played a key role

This conclusion is a big leap, even as per the article you shared. "The strength required to access the high calorie content of bone marrow may have played a key role in the evolution of the human hand and explain why primates hands are not like ours, research has found."

It's just a possibility. They can't even make a strong claim about it.

Re: Mexican mammoth trap provides first evidence of prehistoric hunting pits

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Confused. What evidence was found, to indicate these mammoths didn't just stumble into the pit? Was the pit man-made? Tool marks on the mammoth bones? Evidence of hunting implements? One spear mark is pretty slim evidence, but that's all they mentioned.

It is hi-story.

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Presumably there would have been a giant feast afterwards because the meat doesn't keep. Would have been fun to attend.

I'd be interested to see ancient solutions to this.

For example, if you were to tie the mammoth down, you might be able to cut off a few legs and eat them, while bandaging up the mammoth to keep it alive for a week or so till you kill it and eat the rest.

Re: Mexican mammoth trap provides first evidence of prehistoric hunting pits

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> Hunters may have used torches to scare the mammals into the area with the traps, which are about 6ft (1.70m) deep and 25 yards in diameter, but one of the skulls found also had marks of a spear wound on the front. I find humans amazing. An adult mammoth is something even the more largest predators would not attempt to hunt. And yet, here is a band of puny 2 legged mammals armed with sticks with a flint at the end,…

>I find humans amazing. An adult mammoth is something even the more largest predators would not attempt to hunt. And yet, here is a band of puny 2 legged mammals armed with sticks with a flint at the end, hunting and killing masses of these mighty beasts.

Humans are the only animal with the ability to communicate complex abstract future plans (e.g. "today we all shore up the pit, tomorrow you guys wait over there and we'll drive them into this pit"). And it's not like animals can outrun us either. We're quite slow in a sprint but out cooling system is optimized for a very high duty cycle so we can just keep on chasing. Imagine being hunted by Terminator or Agent Smith. That's what the water buffalo or mammoth feels like

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