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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by flanbiscuit »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #390
pen2l wrote: post #305

This is not as terrifying to me as the other news brought to my attention by a post in today's Reddit's r/YSK, that if you use Adblock, your gmail can be closed. In the new TOS of Youtube [1], it states that if your account is not deemed commercially viable, your Google account (i.e. your Gmail, your Google Photos, your Google Drive, etc.) can be closed down: YouTube may terminate your access, or your Google account’…

This makes me want to ditch gmail to prevent accidentally getting my account closed, say for using Youtube while I have Adblock installed in my browser. I do have personal email on a domain I own, but it will be a lot of work to update my e-mail address with each service.

I want to ditch Gmail/Google as well but I am so entrenched into Android that I'm torn. I don't want to rely on third party ROMs that I need to root and install on my phone. I want the latest AOSP security updates, that's why I choose to buy the Pixel line of phones (looking into Android One phones as well). Also how do I keep my contacts synced between devices. What's a good replacement for Google Photos that gives me the same features. I'm sure people have figured this out already somewhere

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by chungus_khan »

cameronbrown wrote: post #117
rootlocus wrote: post #8

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> Cos sure as hell no user is waiting for this. Why do you assume Google implements features that users want? They implement features that their clients want: the ones paying for ads.

As someone who's used digital advertising in the past I wouldn't really care about forcing my content upon all customers. It's a self selected opt-out for someone who won't ever click anyway. The real problem is news websites don't show restraint and shovel (so, many) ads to customers, making impressions go up and clicks go down. IMO ads won't go away and adblockers won't kill them completely as too many market force…

This is absolutely the real thing hurting online advertising right now. Nobody wants their eyes molested by that many ads, and it makes the user's eyes glaze over. Fewer, better quality, better placed, and less obnoxious ads have consistently worked out better for my clients in terms of clicks.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by p_l »

bildung wrote: post #297
vbezhenar wrote: post #196

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They are not trying to kill advertisements. They want to replace API to provide better performance. That's about it. ad blocking extensions won't disappear. May be some will, and new extensions emerge.

By that reasoning Microsoft didn't prevent others from writing .doc-compatible word processors either - they just defined the format as basically a memory dump of Word :) This is how a company implements measures that could be a legal problem: By formally making a technical decision and having the actual goal as a by-product of that decision.

> By that reasoning Microsoft didn't prevent others from writing .doc-compatible word processors either - they just defined the format as basically a memory dump of Word :)

It's funny because for years MS kept officially supported, feature complete, portable format for use in interchange, while DOC being shared was kinda unintended consequence that just wasn't fought against.

The very requirements of the original DOC spec required it to be a memory dump.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by nvrspyx »

JohnFen wrote: post #381
nvrspyx wrote: post #374

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They’re less so forks than re-builds. They rely heavily on upstream and Google can certainly make it more difficult for them to maintain a “fork” that diverges too much from Chromium proper. Manifest V3 may be something they can easily keep out of their builds while maintaining the old method, but I’m no expert so I won’t comment on that. A fork implies maintaining most or all of the code base themselves, when in rea…

> If a company the size of Microsoft are unable to maintain a “fork” of Chromium Microsoft is entirely able to maintain a fork of Chromium, or even their own proprietary browser. What Microsoft has done is a cost/benefit calculation and decided that the benefit for maintaining their own stuff is not sufficient to justify the costs. The thing about those types of analyses is that they are very company-dependent. That…

That was a poor choice of words on my part. Rather I meant, they themselves stated it was not feasible for them to keep up using EdgeHTML and they could not. The same may be true if they were to completely fork Chromium and maintain their own version (ala Blink from WebKit) while keeping up with the changes made by Chromium that in turn propagate to the entire open web due to its dominance. It’s the reason they moved to Chromium and contribute back upstream rather than “fork” it.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by daveidol »

MrMember wrote: post #378
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #377

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just one more reason i continue to recommend that youtube is greatly improved by signing out. none of the signin-walled "features" are worth it anyway. comments are a banal wasteland, votes mean nothing for creator visibility, subscribing doesn't mean you'll see new videos when they're released, algorithm-driven recommendations actively harm diverse content discoverability...

I don't even visit the YouTube site that often anymore. I've set up a script to use youtube-dl to download new videos from channels I like on a daily basis.

Can you share any more information or the source of your script? Sounds like a pretty cool idea.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by petetnt »

The_rationalist wrote: post #55
jruz wrote: post #19

Classic cat and mouse moves. Adblockers will move to OS level so google cant do anything about it. Pi-hole and Network level blockers should also see a rise.

Cosmetic filters will still be needed on the browser.

Dumb question but could you do DLL injections à la video game hacks for the cosmetic filters?

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Post by MrMember »

daveidol wrote: post #395
MrMember wrote: post #378

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I don't even visit the YouTube site that often anymore. I've set up a script to use youtube-dl to download new videos from channels I like on a daily basis.

Can you share any more information or the source of your script? Sounds like a pretty cool idea.

It's actually really simple! Here's an example:

youtube-dl --dateafter now-7days --playlist-end 10 --download-archive '/path/to/folder/downloaded.txt' -o '/path/to/folder/%(title)s.%(ext)s' -- 'https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYO_jab_esuFRV4b17AJtAw'

You can play around with the parameters to get the behavior you want (there are tons more than I don't use), I kept it pretty simple. In my case it checks the channel page for videos that are newer than 7 days (it runs daily but this gives me a buffer). If there are more than 10 videos newer than 7 days it only checks the first 10. It stores previously downloaded video information in downloaded.txt so it doesn't download duplicate videos, and outputs the video in the format videoName.ext.

Then throw that into a shell script along with any other channels you want and set up a cron job to run it as often as you'd like. You'll also probably want to put 'youtube-dl -U' into a cron job to keep it up to date, YouTube frequently changes things that breaks functionality of youtube-dl.

Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by jefftk »

danShumway wrote: post #356
jefftk wrote: post #306

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Would anyone like to make a bet on whether ad blocking will still work in Chrome in two years? Something like "if you visit the top ten publishers in the US in Chrome Desktop with the best ad blocker will you see more ads than if you use Firefox Desktop with the best ad blocker"? (Disclosure: I work at Google, not on Chrome, and don't have any inside information on this)

Sure, I've been trying to make more tangible predictions about the future lately. I don't bet money, but if I'm wrong, you can come find me online and publicly tell me I'm wrong. I will make a public prediction that after one year of Manifest V3 actually shipping to users in mainline Chrome: - Assuming that Manifest V3's declarative API is not significantly changed from its current implementation. - If you visit each…

Thanks for giving so much detail about what you expect! This seems pretty hard to formalize a bet about, though, since the core disagreement is over "Firefox will block more visible ads and popups" which you'd put at 55% and I'd put at ~50%.

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Post by majora2007 »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #391
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #390

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This makes me want to ditch gmail to prevent accidentally getting my account closed, say for using Youtube while I have Adblock installed in my browser. I do have personal email on a domain I own, but it will be a lot of work to update my e-mail address with each service.

I want to ditch Gmail/Google as well but I am so entrenched into Android that I'm torn. I don't want to rely on third party ROMs that I need to root and install on my phone. I want the latest AOSP security updates, that's why I choose to buy the Pixel line of phones (looking into Android One phones as well). Also how do I keep my contacts synced between devices. What's a good replacement for Google Photos that gives…

This is exactly my problem as well. I think the best bet is to partially move off. Setup backups with other systems. For email, have all emails forward to a backup Yahoo account or something. You don't have to check it, but just have it in case Google screws you.
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