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Re: Renaissance Technologies

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A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

Sounds like you've assumed that rentech are running the same volatility as the S&P 500. That's very unlikely to be true - most systematic hedge funds ran crazy high risk in the '80s and '90s. But even if you assume it's a coin toss as to whether they perform well in any given year, twenty good years in a row is impressive. My best guess is that it's a combination of luck, skill, and hindsight bias. Rentech probably h…

In the book (“The Man Who Solved the Markets”), the author actually provides the Sharpe ratios for their flagship fund (“Medallion”). Medallion’s Sharpe Ratio has almost never been below 2.0, and has been as high as 7.0 (!!!) in some years.

I’ll link to the Wikipedia page below for the math, but these figures would highly suggest that their returns are much less likely the result of luck, and more likely the result of some edge/alpha generation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpe_ratio

Re: Renaissance Technologies

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Here's some inside baseball: I recently graduated from Stony Brook University where Jim Simons chaired the math department in the 1960s. He left to start Renaissance Technologies which is located 1 mile down the street from campus. Their influence is everywhere. We have a Simons Center for Geometry and Physics ($150m building). I take classes in Frey Hall (Robert Frey used be managing director at Rentec). Our med sch…

Don't forget the yachts in the Stony Brook marina! I always smiled as I passed the giant 'Matrix Rose'. No need to ask where the money for that one came from.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

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post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

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Re: Renaissance Technologies

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post #18

A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

Sounds like you've assumed that rentech are running the same volatility as the S&P 500. That's very unlikely to be true - most systematic hedge funds ran crazy high risk in the '80s and '90s. But even if you assume it's a coin toss as to whether they perform well in any given year, twenty good years in a row is impressive. My best guess is that it's a combination of luck, skill, and hindsight bias. Rentech probably h…

That’s true I’ve assumed they have the same volatility. But since RenTec probably is market neutral for equities so I would imagine their Sharpe ratio is much higher than the S&P 500. And their Sortino ratio is most likely insanely high.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

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A related promising company in this field is Numerai: https://numer.ai Building a meta model from predictions submitted by the community (based on encrypted training data provided by Numerai). More info in their video below. Also Howard Morgan the Co-Founder of Renaissance Technologies too is talking about them and a group of investors led by him invested $1.5m in the company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhJnt0N4…

I'm very skeptical about numer.ai. I participated in their contests for quite some time (made a significant chunk of change), but I have huge doubts that any of our predictions are actually useful to them, for a multitude of reasons.

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A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

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Re: Renaissance Technologies

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A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

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Re: Renaissance Technologies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you've assumed that rentech are running the same volatility as the S&P 500. That's very unlikely to be true - most systematic hedge funds ran crazy high risk in the '80s and '90s. But even if you assume it's a coin toss as to whether they perform well in any given year, twenty good years in a row is impressive. My best guess is that it's a combination of luck, skill, and hindsight bias. Rentech probably h…

In the book (“The Man Who Solved the Markets”), the author actually provides the Sharpe ratios for their flagship fund (“Medallion”). Medallion’s Sharpe Ratio has almost never been below 2.0, and has been as high as 7.0 (!!!) in some years. I’ll link to the Wikipedia page below for the math, but these figures would highly suggest that their returns are much less likely the result of luck, and more likely the result o…

Well I'm saying it's both skill and luck, combined with hindsight bias.

They're famous because Medallion is the best performing quant fund. Even if quant funds were just chumps tossing coins, if you pick the best of a number of them, you'll get something that looks good.

Now that maths still doesn't stack up that they were just lucky - they probably had skill too. But I think it's more likely that they had a modest edge and were lucky than it is that they had a large edge and got an average result.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

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The tone of many comments here is disappointing. I'm really surprised at the number of people suggesting illegal activity. Why is it so hard to accept that someone did the math?

It's simply surprising that they continuously find an edge in an ever increasingly competitive market.

It's not a fair comparison to say they just "did the math" when there are thousands of other, highly qualified, highly intelligent people trying to "do the math" at the same time, all the time, yet RenTech has managed to always come out ahead and not just barely, but massively ahead.

I don't believe RenTech is doing anything illegal. I think they have a extremely significant edge that they've managed to maintain for a significant period of time and that should be suspicious to anyone who participates in the market.

Re: Renaissance Technologies

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A great book about RenTec and Jim Simons came out recently: The Man Who Solved the Market: How Jim Simons Launched the Quant Revolution. Everyone in the industry worships Simons and RenTec as practically god-like. What they've managed to do shouldn't really be possible and is out of this world. According to Wikipedia over a 20 year period between 1994 and 2014, RenTec realized an 71.9% annualized return in their inte…

The "it's a scam" angle is they're insider trading.
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