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Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Re: Google Begins Testing Extension Manifest V3 in Chrome Canary

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Post by chopin »

bnegreve wrote: post #222
cletus wrote: post #157

Did anyone actually read the submission? The title is clickbait that doesn't reflect the content. The change here moves modifying content of the webRequest to the browser from the extension. This is fundamentally more secure. Allowing third-party extensions to inspect and _modify_ arbitrary HTTP requests is nothing short of dangerous. The new declarative API (from the article) limits such extensions to 30,000 rules.…

> So rather than be alarmist [..] we should be pushing for changes that make this workable If, as the author suspects, the intent is to break popular adblockers, I have no interest in trying to make this workable. Personally, I think this is a typical half-legit move: there's a good intention (security) but it's also hard to believe they did not realize that by pushing these changes, they were going to break several…

There's no security involved whatsoever: Extensions can still read page content. They're only not allowed to block.

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Post by privateSFacct »

cletus wrote: post #180
malvosenior wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So rather than be alarmist and use this to feed into the tired narrative that "Google is killing ad blockers because it's an advertising company" That’s not alarmist, it’s the obvious truth. As a user I should have complete control over what runs on my machine. I don’t need Google “protecting” me (by breaking ad blockers). Google is the single most destructive force in the tech industry today. Very much like Micros…

> As a user I should have complete control over what runs on my machine. You do. By running Firefox. This level of control might be useful to you but it's not to most users. As much as power users chafe against things like the App Store, for example, this is clearly a win for most users. Limiting what a malicious extension could do is very much the same because I can guarantee you there are scams to get users to inst…

Agreed - if you support a user base on chrome folks DO install bogus extensions DESPITE all the guard rails

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Post by big_chungus »

kibwen wrote: post #195
big_chungus wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? That's funny, I always thought businesses hated the idea of communism.

Not sure if this is tongue-in-cheek, but the key consideration here is that of authoritarianism (which is capable of being used in conjunction with plenty of other -isms, including socialism and capitalism). Corporations tend to be largely authoritarian as well (i.e., you are expected to respect your boss because they are your boss (and if they deign to respect you, this is regarded as magnanimity); possession of aut…

The comment to which I replied specifically named Stalinism, of which communism is a core tenet. I have difficulty thinking of a Stalinist company.

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Post by perf1 »

enobrev wrote: post #104

I had already switched my mobile browser to Firefox explicitly so I could use ublock. And now it's time to move to Firefox in the desktop. I appreciate Google helping with the decision.

Unfortunately the Touchpad experience is non native and horrible on a Windows Laptop.

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Post by pfdietz »

mcv wrote: post #170

I'm in the process of switching as much as possible to Firefox. I now use Firefox Mobile on my smartphone, and my new laptop doesn't even get Chrome. And in many ways, it's been a breath of fresh air. Firefox gives my much more control over my privacy, and even recommends some extensions to improve it further. A couple of websites are sadly broken on my Firefox setup, but I can live without them. I want to get back t…

> I want to get back to the content-driven web rather than this ad-driven web we have now.

Are you prepared to pay for it?

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Post by chopin »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #203
koolba wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TLS makes that tricky as you need a MITM proxy.

And cert pinning in the browsers blows this out of the water, which is why I'm of two minds about it as a security feature. It seems that a lot of security these days is really about removing people's control over their own devices.

You can import an own root cert which will be honored. I work in a company where all internal servers have a certificate a non-public root has signed. Works both on Chrome and FF.

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Post by alpaca128 »

rusk wrote: post #143
moomin wrote: post #15

This is the point in the dominance cycle where the dominant player decides they no longer need to be the fastest or the most secure and that their dominance will allow them to coast along doing their thing. There’s nothing particularly inevitable about what happens next, but let’s hope they get an IE6-sized kick in the teeth.

has anyone else noticed a marked decline in the quality of Google search results over the last 12 months? I swear, around about 2011 I thought Google was going to become self aware but it's declined from that high-point to a point where duckduckgo has become a viable alternative for more than just reasons of privacy. Which is a great thing! Turns out "Don't be Evil" was more than just a feel-good marketing slogan. It…

Yes. When I started using DuckDuckGo it was despite Google's search results often being better and every few weeks I used Google for some queries because I simply couldn't find what I was looking for.

Now my last visit to Google is more than a year ago because DDG got better while Google got worse.

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Post by mehdix »

I am so glad that it's a while I have started migrating off Google, Gmail and Android and I am Chrome-free for almost two years now (Syncthing and DecSync helped a lot).

However, I think Google will exploit their browser-market-dominance to bend web tech to make escaping from ads impossible, same as what they did with DRM.

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Post by _jal »

big_chungus wrote: post #168
claudeganon wrote: post #72

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Really? That's funny, I always thought businesses hated the idea of communism.

Internally, businesses run whatever system they want, but it is almost always an authoritarian hierarchy. (Do what you're told or leave. Various amounts of arguing or grumbling before you do may or may not be tolerated.)

The language used in bad times is telling. You'll hear managers talking about how it sucks, but is needed to save the company ("individuals must suffer for the greater good").

Externally, businesses reflect the political preferences of those who control them, but they tend to prefer weak states they can influence or control. Democracies are harder to control this way because the stakeholders are diffuse. Centralization, strongmen and corruption make things easier.

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