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Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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I wrote one for myself that is yet to be published. Will give it a 2nd thought.

The reason I thought it would be helpful is that I am not a high feedback person. I seldom praise (need to work on that), I am not expressive, I've been told I 'play my cards close to the vest.' by someone who directly reported to me. That really got me thinking that maybe the circumstances where I am not getting what I want is because my staff really cannot figure out what I'm looking for in general. So I wrote up a 'read me', before I knew there was this trend.

I included self-deprecating statements about things like assigning a task to multiple people because I forgot it had already been assigned 'Don't take it personally, just let me know and I'll fix it.' And, if they need me to attend a meeting, make sure it's on my calendar, or, no chance I'll remember.

In the end, it's only going to be as helpful as it is 'correct' and clearly described. That depends on each manager's level of self-awareness, combined with their sense of self confidence. You'd hope managers would have both qualities, but if not, this can really be a red herring, or even be used as a dark pattern.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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To build on what another commenter said, the idea of manager READMEs made perfect sense when they started out a few years ago - here are my quirks, here’s how I operate, etc.

The problem is they’ve turned into something that justifies bad behavior more often than not. So many of them have this undercurrent of “I’m an asshole - don’t take it personally!” which is just totally not OK. The solution isn’t to proudly broadcast and justify that you’re an asshole and expect others to adapt — the solution is to not be an asshole.

That being said, things like “I tend to work late so if I email you on the weekend, I don’t expect you to reply until Monday” are totally reasonable and I think, on the whole, a good thing.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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I'm wondering if anyone has been in a manager-less team. I would like to think that's possible and if so what was the experience like?

it works fine as long as everyone is extremely reasonable, and everyone's primary motivation is the success of the project.

unfortunately, this is very unlikely to be true. and increasingly less so as the team size increases.

one confounding factor here is the heavy use of religion to guide technical decisions. the decisions we make now about the direction of the product and the attributes of the codebase are largely subjective. there are arguments on all sides of a position.

a good team, properly enculturated, understands the process. when the issue is important enough to justify digging in and when its just a personal bias. a good team helps all of its members stay on the path and not end up in giant ratholes. a good team uses its experience to inform future decisions rather than create artificial strictures. a good team has enough time and maturity to interact constructively with the rest of the business and the customers.

I shouldn't say 'good' team, I should say 'perfect'

good management greases all of these points of potential friction. but I think at the end of the day management is there to address the last point. its natural and expected for engineers to keep a narrow focus on the technical aspects of the project itself. someone's got to make sure its evolving in a direction that's meaningful in an external context.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to read this sentence twice before understanding that a "report" is a person. Maybe that has become accepted terminology in some circles. I hope not. It's terribly dehumanizing.

What word would you prefer to use for "person whom a manager manages"? If one just uses "person" it is unclear if it's any arbitrary person or a person under a manager's umbrella

I've probably seen 'subordinate' used in the same contexts. 'managee' is awful but is at least analogous to 'employer/employee'.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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post #7
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to read this sentence twice before understanding that a "report" is a person. Maybe that has become accepted terminology in some circles. I hope not. It's terribly dehumanizing.

What word would you prefer to use for "person whom a manager manages"? If one just uses "person" it is unclear if it's any arbitrary person or a person under a manager's umbrella

I strongly believe the language we use influences how we think about things and situations. I use the word “people” all the time, even if it means a longer sentence. Being slightly more efficient in expressing my relationship to a person that works for me is not worth the effect of being called a report/resource/direct.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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post #6

I'm wondering if anyone has been in a manager-less team. I would like to think that's possible and if so what was the experience like?

I've always dreamed of that, and while I haven't yet experienced a completely "manager-less" team I've come close. It didn't work out quite like I hoped it would.

The short version is that it worked amazingly well for a little while, with a small team of people that worked well together. However as the team scaled certain personality traits emerged in everybody. What basically happened is certain people became "the manager" in practice because everyone just deferred to this person for decisions and such. Various reasons for that, good and bad:

1. This person was technically very capable.

2. This person had a strong personality that was disagreeable, and people didn't want to cross him.

3. If you were wrong in any way, this person would publicly broadcast your failure, which made people afraid to ever challenge him.

4. Many people aren't really comfortable not having a boss. They will naturally look to someone to lead things, and usually the person they select is not the best one for the job (or even close), it's just the person with the strongest personality. I don't mean to get political here, but I can't help but notice how similar this is to President Trump.

So basically my conclusion is: we can't have nice things because human nature. More specifically, manager-less teams would great for small groups that work well together. It doesn't scale, and doesn't work well for everybody. Some people need management.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What word would you prefer to use for "person whom a manager manages"? If one just uses "person" it is unclear if it's any arbitrary person or a person under a manager's umbrella

I've probably seen 'subordinate' used in the same contexts. 'managee' is awful but is at least analogous to 'employer/employee'.

"Subordinate" seems even worse to me. That institutionalizes the power differential and the idea that managers are "above" their direct reports.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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Manager READMEs start out with good intentions, but every example I've seen is flawed for multiple reasons: 1) It's manager-centric. Why would you give employees a guide to their manager when you could give them an "Employee README" that is focused on the new employee? When I join a company, I want to know what's expected of me so I can succeed. If the company delivers this in a form of a manager README then I'll sti…

I think you make some very good points, but I think there's still some value in the manager README even if it's flawed. It would be great to have both IMHO.

I'm thought experimenting on also having a README written by direct reports that the boss doesn't get to see (so people could be more honest). I'm guessing it would quickly leak to the boss anyway, or someone trying to score points with the boss would just whitewash it. Perhaps only the person who wrote something could edit it, so you get lots of perspectives?

Would be an interesting experiment tho.

Re: Unlike Babies, the Best Managers Come with Instructions

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post #17

Manager READMEs start out with good intentions, but every example I've seen is flawed for multiple reasons: 1) It's manager-centric. Why would you give employees a guide to their manager when you could give them an "Employee README" that is focused on the new employee? When I join a company, I want to know what's expected of me so I can succeed. If the company delivers this in a form of a manager README then I'll sti…

> Why would you give employees a guide to their manager when you could give them an "Employee README" that is focused on the new employee? Why not do both? "Hey folks, here's my README, I'd encourage you to write something similar and share it with everybody."

What on Earth can/should an employee write other than "I'll come in when expected and do my work to the best of my abilities while being professional?"

I'm certainly not writing anything about my personal life because that's personal and, quite frankly, none of your business. I have a tragic backstory that I don't want to share with coworkers. It's my job to overcome my past and be effective and productive at work, not everyone else's job to accommodate any unexpected or unprofessional behavior, etc.

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