The British empire essentially deported many of its criminals to Australia. The USSR banished their radicals to Siberia... I’m sure others have done similar.
Yeah but none of those claim to be the "land of the freedom" and other platitudes as loudly as the Americans
When America Tried to Deport Its Radicals
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#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
>American exceptionalism Almost the entire North and South America has it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
The US is historically unique in its ability to Americanize immigrants and lift them into prosperity. Birthright citizenship isn’t unique to the US, but the is a pillar of what makes the US unique.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
>American exceptionalism Almost the entire North and South America has it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
The US is historically unique in its ability to Americanize immigrants and lift them into prosperity. Birthright citizenship isn’t unique to the US, but the is a pillar of what makes the US unique.
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#14The British empire essentially deported many of its criminals to Australia. The USSR banished their radicals to Siberia... I’m sure others have done similar.
Yeah but none of those claim to be the "land of the freedom" and other platitudes as loudly as the Americans
The article is somewhat biased, but includes enough information to invite some reflecting on those problems. It paints an image of how many people might have been actually fearing a violent revolution, for example. It also shows how such fears can interplay with how law is executed.
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#15> In 1919, alarmed by the growing presence of “peoples of Asiatic races,” the Anti-Alien League called for a constitutional amendment “to restrict citizenship by birth within the United States to the children of parents who are of a race which is eligible for citizenship”—i.e., whites. Senator Wesley Jones, of Washington State, promised to introduce such a measure—a proposal not unlike today’s calls to end birthright…
This, along with the grandparent clause, has the probably unintended consequence that something astonishing like a sixth or eighth of the UK is eligible for Irish citizenship.
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#16This kind of thing is why it's important to challenge the framing of people as "illegal"; citizenship is an administrative category, and abusive governments can find all sorts of excuses to end or revoke it.
This doesn’t make sense to me. Aren’t all laws then “administrative categories”, of those who commit or don’t commit the corresponding crimes? Breaking the law means, per definition, that someone has committed an illegal action. Calling someone an “illegal immigrant” is appropriate when the crime is immigration related.
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#18The British empire essentially deported many of its criminals to Australia. The USSR banished their radicals to Siberia... I’m sure others have done similar.
That's not really deportation. They were sent from one part of the British Empire to another. They remained British subjects.
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#19Amusingly, a question today is what to do with people who left their country to fight with the Islamic State? Take them back? Keep them out? Send them to re-education camps? Turkey has a lot of them, and they're not Turkish. Turkey wants to unload them. "There is no need to try to escape from it, we will send them back to you. Deal with them how you want." The UK doesn't want theirs back. France has decided to take t…
having them piecemeal in prisons/camps/etc. around the world is inefficient and is basically letting the cancer to metastasize. These people explicitly refused to live in our societies/states, and de-facto had their own state. I think we should have left them to their own devices - a 10m high wall with machine gun turrets each 1000ft accompanied by 10m deep moat and 1mile width minefield around that patch of the desert in Syria and/or Iraq where those believers wanted to have their own kind of heaven on Earth (until we can send them to Moon/Mars - worked great for Britain/Australia). Shoot on sight anybody trying to cross out of that heaven. To each their own. Right for self-determination and choosing your own poison.
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#20> In 1919, alarmed by the growing presence of “peoples of Asiatic races,” the Anti-Alien League called for a constitutional amendment “to restrict citizenship by birth within the United States to the children of parents who are of a race which is eligible for citizenship”—i.e., whites. Senator Wesley Jones, of Washington State, promised to introduce such a measure—a proposal not unlike today’s calls to end birthright…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli#/media/File:Jus_soli_...