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The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#121

I enabled the Silence Unknown Callers feature [0] in iOS and haven’t answered a spam call since. The downside is that it sends every call from unknown numbers to voicemail, including legitimate ones. It’s a worthwhile trade-off. [0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207099

I tried it, and within a week I missed an important call. I was waiting by the phone, and it just never arrived. I realized too late that it had been silenced. It's very frustrating that we can't just get something like a spam filter, rather than a blanket "silence everything unknown."

Yeah part of the problem is there are tons of legitimate businesses out there that will do important things only over the phone, from obviously an unknown number, where if you miss the call it becomes a big hassle to get back in touch with them. Happens with banks and other financial institutions, doctors offices, deliveries and all kinds of other services.

It would kind of solve the problem if a norm emerged that these types of companies first send a confirmation email with the phone number they'll be calling from so you can add it to your caller id. But it's a lot of extra work for people and I think it's probably asking too much of the average non technical user.

Even better, why couldn't we have something like SSL certificates or DKIM for phone calls? People for the most part understand the lock icon and a verified flag in a user interface. Then a call could be signed to know that it's coming from a particular entity.

It seems like some other countries have solved this problem by moving away from regular sms and phone calls and instead letting a private company own all communication, like WeChat in China. Which obviously is quite problematic in other ways, but honestly at this point that would be an improvement in my opinion, if businesses started only contacting me through Facebook Messenger or Whatsapp so I could see who every message is associated with.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean the actual number? The number is set by the caller as part of the SIP INVITE

The phone company has a source number for calls coming from outside their system for billing purposes. I want that number. Edit: At a minimum, an out of system call should display what system / exchange it originates from. That at least helps solve neighbor spoofing.

Yeah it's bonkers they allow this still. No good actor ISP is going to knowingly let improperly sourced traffic transit networks...

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#123

Does anyone familiar with the law know why these fines couldn't be converted to tax liens or some other legal device that could be used to go after the offenders? Then the IRS could garnish wages or prevent loans to the businesses until the liens are paid, or do all kinds of things to throw a wrench in their plans and make robocalls too much of a hassle to be lucrative.

I'd assume they're mostly fines against foreign or shell companies. What's effectively a shell company is set up to forward calls, then goes out of business when caught.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Never knew you could contract it has into it's as well.

I remember asking my high school English teacher if I could use the contraction "shouldn't've" for "should not have." She said no. I still disagree.

I quite like y’all’d’ve’d for “you all would have had”, eg “I’m sorry your flight was cancelled, y’all’d’ve’d a great time here”

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Honestly I'm surprised they've managed to collect that much. Good job guys.

This is a market-based problem rather than a policy problem: The problem is the low cost of making calls. Make calls cost money and the problem will naturally go away.

Make anybody that wants access to SS7 take out a bond.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What technical limitation? There is nothing simpler, except that some very well-funded special interest groups never want to see this happen. When I was on a limited plan, the amount of spam messages and calls were virtually zero because the limit would run up and be charged against the caller (internationally). The month I switched to an unlimited, I started getting spammed. Now much of the spam is domestic, but I f…

Why should we artificially charge law abiding people for making a call? Why not disallow call spoofing? Why should we allow telecom fraud, especially when there are obvious technical solutions? And what well-funded SIGs are our to get your phone call tax plan?

What’s artificial about it? Are you old enough to remember when calls cost money, and we didn’t have these problems?

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#128

I see people here saying that spoofed numbers is the problem. Maybe it's a big part of it, but at the end of the day, the phone companies are complicit with the criminals because there's no good reason that these robocalls can't be treated like a DoS attack. These crooks make millions , of calls every year. My first employer was apparently making robocalls, though none of us were aware of it(there was a call center w…

Yup. It’s amusing to see people think there is some hard technical problem here. Tie the problem of robocalls to the telcos losing money, and this problem will solve itself in months.

It would literally be a day. They pass the legislation and they would stop.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#129

I see people here saying that spoofed numbers is the problem. Maybe it's a big part of it, but at the end of the day, the phone companies are complicit with the criminals because there's no good reason that these robocalls can't be treated like a DoS attack. These crooks make millions , of calls every year. My first employer was apparently making robocalls, though none of us were aware of it(there was a call center w…

Yup. It’s amusing to see people think there is some hard technical problem here. Tie the problem of robocalls to the telcos losing money, and this problem will solve itself in months.

And then they'll add on a monthly robocall prevention fee to your bill. :P

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. It’s amusing to see people think there is some hard technical problem here. Tie the problem of robocalls to the telcos losing money, and this problem will solve itself in months.

And then they'll add on a monthly robocall prevention fee to your bill. :P

They're testing the waters for that already, https://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-to-auto-block-fraud-roboc...
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