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The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#41
Does anyone familiar with the law know why these fines couldn't be converted to tax liens or some other legal device that could be used to go after the offenders?

Then the IRS could garnish wages or prevent loans to the businesses until the liens are paid, or do all kinds of things to throw a wrench in their plans and make robocalls too much of a hassle to be lucrative.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#42
I see people here saying that spoofed numbers is the problem. Maybe it's a big part of it, but at the end of the day, the phone companies are complicit with the criminals because there's no good reason that these robocalls can't be treated like a DoS attack.

These crooks make millions, of calls every year. My first employer was apparently making robocalls, though none of us were aware of it(there was a call center with actual human beings), and they were cracked down on by the FTC a few years ago.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2017/01/ftc-a...

The way I see it, there's no good technological reason why a system couldn't detect millions of calls coming from one place, compare that with the number of complaints and number-spoofs, and trigger an investigation. The dinosaur phone system needs to either go extinct or be reformed, and the telecom companies don't give a fuck. Every time I've asked either T-mobile or AT&T to block the relentless robocalls, they tell me to install some 3rd party Android app that fails to effectively block calls.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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post #8

Never knew you could contract it has into it's as well.

I remember asking my high school English teacher if I could use the contraction "shouldn't've" for "should not have." She said no. I still disagree.

I'd go with should not've for better clarity.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's good to see you," Joe said. "Yes, it's been too long," Jim replied.

English is like C, even after 30 years it still has the potential to surprise you :)

I love listening to people speak that are just learning English and don’t have all of the idiosyncrasies/ vernacular down. Little things like saying ‘today morning’ instead of ‘this morning’, gives you a glimpse of a simpler, more logical version of the language.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Honestly I'm surprised they've managed to collect that much. Good job guys.

This is a market-based problem rather than a policy problem: The problem is the low cost of making calls. Make calls cost money and the problem will naturally go away.

I think the major fault with this reasoning is that the exact same solution has been proposed many times for e-mail, going back decades, and has never come even close to catching on. I think that applying a cost - whether time or money - to producing phone calls would fail for the same reasons. Namely, the significant difficulty in making significant changes to the telephone system (e.g. changing requirements to make a call, something which has almost never happened in the history of the phone system) and the lack of incentives for the telcos to do so, considering that they make termination fees off of these spam calls.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone with a heavy background, it would break a fair bit of the PSTN - while moves are in place to change the technical limitations of the PSTN that prevent this kind of verification, they're not complete yet, and will take several more years to implement fully.

>> Stop allowing spoofed numbers. Period. > As someone with a heavy background, it would break a fair bit of the PSTN As it stands, I think quite a few consumers are ready to just walk away from PSTN unless something pretty drastic is done quite soon.

And go to what exactly? There isn't a real alternative out there.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's good to see you," Joe said. "Yes, it's been too long," Jim replied.

English is like C, even after 30 years it still has the potential to surprise you :)

'tis as the good book (https://xkcd.com/1053/) says.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any chance you can explain what the PSTN is and why it is important? I tried reading the wikipedia article[1] but I still feel like I don't have enough telecom domain knowledge to understand it. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_switched_telephone_netw...

If you're still making and receiving phone calls (dialed with numbers, using the dialer on your smart phone, etc), then that's the PSTN you're using.

A tiny but growing population is giving up on receiving calls from PSTN systems.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#49

I see people here saying that spoofed numbers is the problem. Maybe it's a big part of it, but at the end of the day, the phone companies are complicit with the criminals because there's no good reason that these robocalls can't be treated like a DoS attack. These crooks make millions , of calls every year. My first employer was apparently making robocalls, though none of us were aware of it(there was a call center w…

Telecoms can't block calls. They are not legally allowed to do it.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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post #49

I see people here saying that spoofed numbers is the problem. Maybe it's a big part of it, but at the end of the day, the phone companies are complicit with the criminals because there's no good reason that these robocalls can't be treated like a DoS attack. These crooks make millions , of calls every year. My first employer was apparently making robocalls, though none of us were aware of it(there was a call center w…

Telecoms can't block calls. They are not legally allowed to do it.

We can and do block calls under certain circumstances, i.e from Invalid or Unallocated ANIs.
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