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Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by ravenstine »

ryandrake wrote: post #46
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

Or self-host. Linode VPS: $5/mo and for that I can host E-mail, a light duty web server, and other various odds and ends. I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic account suspension removing access to my E-mail (and all of my online accounts, since they use my E-mail address for verification). And I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic process determining what E-mails I receive and which ones…

We're there any good resources you used for learning how to configure SPF and DKIM?

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by ryandrake »

ravenstine wrote: post #51
ryandrake wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or self-host. Linode VPS: $5/mo and for that I can host E-mail, a light duty web server, and other various odds and ends. I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic account suspension removing access to my E-mail (and all of my online accounts, since they use my E-mail address for verification). And I don't have to worry about some random algorithmic process determining what E-mails I receive and which ones…

We're there any good resources you used for learning how to configure SPF and DKIM?

Linode's documentation tends to be pretty good: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-...

That guide assumes you're using postfix as your MTA. For exim, their documentation can be found here: https://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch...

Distributions often have their own documentation, for Debian: https://debian-administration.org/article/718/DKIM-signing_o... and https://debian-administration.org/article/719/Avoiding_mail-...

Keep in mind this is all to increase deliverability of your outgoing mail. You may also optionally want to check SPF and DKIM on incoming mail to cut down on spam: https://debian-administration.org/article/721/Validating_SPF...

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by root_axis »

dannyw wrote: post #18
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

We need legislation. Google is too powerful.

Why isn't "use a different email provider" an option? Why do we need laws to enforce good customer service?

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by falcolas »

What blows me away is that the supposedly manual reviews believe that these Google-wide permanent bans are appropriate for “spamming emotes” in a stream.

Google employees, you hold too much power to be so arbitrary with your bans. You hold people’s digital lives (and, with Android, a portion of their physical lives) in your hands. Please be a bit more responsible with that power.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by whamlastxmas »

m-p-3 wrote: post #39
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #13

The real issue here is that (reportedly) the people who spammed got their GMail accounts shut down. That's outrageous. That's your real-life, not just your online-life. Your GMail account isn't even related at all to your YouTube identity. Remember: if you aren't _at least_ paying for your e-mail service you don't own your own mailbox. When was the last time you made a backup of your GMail account? What contingency p…

Google should be able to disable access to a specific service, not shutting down the whole account. They want to be the identity of the online world, they need the responsibilities that comes with it.

When I was a kid I had a Yahoo site with some images hotlinked to another domain. The domain owner changed the images to porn, reported my Yahoo account, and it got my account entirely deleted. Emails and groups and chat and all. Really dumb

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by aabbcc1241 »

doopfoopdoop wrote: post #50
tahdig wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful: By hosting your main email on a custom domain(not a provider) you open a new attack vector for identity theft. Someone can hijack your godaddy/namecheap/gandi account and point the MX DNS records of the domain to their own server and receive all your "Forgot your password? here is the link to reset!" emails This a very bad advice unless you actually know what are the risks.

Is there a good way to protect against this aside from good password hygiene at your domain registrar? I use namecheap if that is relevant--maybe there's a better/more secure registrar to move to. But I guess, equivalently, someone can just equivalently hijack your email account directly if you use a service like Gmail or Yahoo.

It may helps if the sender send you password-reset email in encrypted format

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by wlesieutre »

tzfld wrote: post #15
wlesieutre wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I avoid as many google properties as possible. Who even knows what actions might get my Gmail account disabled. And when they do, there’s no chance of their support system fixing it. The ban bot decided a rule was violated, and when reviewing its decision the ban bot unsurprisingly decides the same thing on appeal. So no, I’m not going to start shopping with Google Wallet no matter how many coupon offers…

I would not rely on a third party (especially a platform with so inconsistent behavior and unclear rules) when talking about an irreplaceable asset.

Yeah, switching to a better email provider is on my to do list, but it’s a big project that I’ll get around to “someday”. Easier to fly under Google’s radar.

Re: YouTube suspends Google accounts of Markiplier's viewers for minor emote spam

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Post by pja »

Google’s approach to coping with bad actors, i.e. immediately cutting off people from their entire Google presence for anything that trips their automated systems on any individual platform, is incredibly abusive. People can have years and years worth of data locked away permanently simply because they post a line of emojis on a YouTube video? Simply astonishing.

Why would anyone trust Google with any important part of their lives based on this kind of behaviour?

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