No mention of PWA features (specifically manifest/installation/web push) is so lame. Classic Apple politics.
Service Worker is the first step - they need to catch up there first. It’s on the list!
WebKit Goals for 2020
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Re: WebKit Goals for 2020
#52No mention of PWA features (specifically manifest/installation/web push) is so lame. Classic Apple politics.
How will they force you into the $99/annum developer program, shaft you a cool 30%, play judge and jury to your ios, macOs app store submissions and reject your work at the first hint of competition, if all the useful PWA features just work on iOS? Lest you dream of software freedom on Apple devices, their sycophants and overzealous employees will gaslight you into believing it's all for user experience and security, and any incidental monopolistic/anti-competitive byproducts are wholly acceptable collateral damage when the betterment of iKind, ahem, mankind is at stake.
Re: WebKit Goals for 2020
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
url: projectpage.tld/bugs Hi! If you're here, you must have found a bug. Send an email to XXX@projectpage.tld describing the bug, and we'll see to fixing it as fast as we can, and we'll alert you when we've started working on it! You don't have to have them subscribe, necessarily.
Which is basically what I said in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21490182 Never put up barriers to accepting bug reports. Now does Trac help in any of this? No.
Trac is better than the GitHub/Bugzilla model, in any case, in my opinion.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There are plenty of us who have legitimate use cases for web push Such as? The only use case for notifications and PWAs I'm coming across are clickbait news sites creating a sense of urgency with "homepage was updated" modals obscuring content and capturing click events. Web user agents have freedoms in rendering pages to users, and Safari siding with users and power efficiency is a good thing. In line with other c…
> Such as? Such as a user presses a button in order to enable push notifications.
That's an explanation of how users can allow notifications, not why they should.
Re: WebKit Goals for 2020
#55No mention of PWA features (specifically manifest/installation/web push) is so lame. Classic Apple politics.
How will they force you into the $99/annum developer program, shaft you a cool 30%, play judge and jury to your ios, macOs app store submissions and reject your work at the first hint of competition, if all the useful PWA features just work on iOS? Lest you dream of software freedom on Apple devices, their sycophants and overzealous employees will gaslight you into believing it's all for user experience and security,…
You need to understand that many of us like Apple's approach.
We aren't looking for software "freedom" on our phones. We just want apps that are safe, curated, respectful of battery life and do not infringe on our privacy or user experience. Apple's approach gives us that.
So by all means complain about app store submissions but as a developer I don't have sympathy for other developers who play loose and fast with the rules.
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#56as is tradition already, webkit is missing:
- full PWA
- ServiceWorkers
- VP8/9
- webvr
- and many others
this could all be mitigated if aapl would let us install custom non-webkit browsers on ios. unfortunately it seems we will need the courts to force aapl.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
How will they force you into the $99/annum developer program, shaft you a cool 30%, play judge and jury to your ios, macOs app store submissions and reject your work at the first hint of competition, if all the useful PWA features just work on iOS? Lest you dream of software freedom on Apple devices, their sycophants and overzealous employees will gaslight you into believing it's all for user experience and security,…
You need to understand that many of us like Apple's approach. We aren't looking for software "freedom" on our phones. We just want apps that are safe, curated, respectful of battery life and do not infringe on our privacy or user experience. Apple's approach gives us that. So by all means complain about app store submissions but as a developer I don't have sympathy for other developers who play loose and fast with th…
Yep - opening up W3C PWA standards on iOS may really threaten "safe, curated, respectful of battery life and do not infringe on our privacy or user experience"
That's just science, and not a regurgitation of Apple's excuses, ahem, P.R. on the matter. I mean, just look at the devestation unleashed by chrome (which supports all PWA features) on MacOs.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should understand the argument before you form an opinion on it. First of all, there are plenty of us who have legitimate use cases for web push. Second, if you care about being bothered by shitty sites prompting you unprovoked, you have a couple options: content blockers or use different sites. The need for notifications is real and Apple’s choice to exclude their availability in iOS is a business move not a tec…
> There are plenty of us who have legitimate use cases for web push Such as? The only use case for notifications and PWAs I'm coming across are clickbait news sites creating a sense of urgency with "homepage was updated" modals obscuring content and capturing click events. Web user agents have freedoms in rendering pages to users, and Safari siding with users and power efficiency is a good thing. In line with other c…
Here's a site I made with a legitimate use of Web Push. https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/
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#59Will 2020 be the year when WebKit, and the Safari browsers by extension, will have full and proper support for Service Workers and PWAs on par with other browsers? I recall reading that Safari lags behind on it, and the allegation was that Apple prefers native apps and doesn’t want web apps to be more popular.
No PWAs, no proper service workers, no native lazyload, no WebP, always lagging behind with more buggy implementation of almost everything. Can't blame people who call it the new IE6/8.
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#60I've been implementing FIDO2 into my serverless application, finally there will be iOS support! It really is the golden authentication method, it's very thought through and incredibly easy to use (unfortunately not to implement though)
Can you recommend something to tie FIDO2 to generic web applications that don't support it directly?