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Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Caveat: this is an anecdote, and your mileage may vary, but I think it illustrates a point of contention in the "two cultures". As a computer science major in the US, I once took a "philosophy of mind" course out of a genuine multi-faceted interest in AI. I was working on undergraduate machine learning research at the time, so I used to pore over the green Norvig/Stewart AI book like a religious text. Unfortunately,…

If physics was taught the same way philosophy is, we'd learn about the four elements before getting to Newtonian mechanics.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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These two fields have been begging to merge for several years now. Great to see it happening. I'd like to see extended to a post-grad program. You could choose either business coding or academic coding. Both are rich areas for combining these two disciplines. Philosophy gives CS a broader, more conceptual view of how things fit together, and CS gives philosophy something useful to do -- it provides a hard edge from w…

"These two fields have been begging to merge for several years now."

You could say this about almost every discipline, except maybe for religious studies and a couple other niche fields. Ignoring the epistemology is easily one of the biggest problems with academia today, to the point where 'higher education' generally isn't even much worth doing.

There is a pervasive attitude on HN and elsewhere that we don't need epistemology anymore because we have iPods and penicillin, which is anti-intellectual (and flat-out wrong) to the point of being sickening.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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As an undergrad philosopher who became self-taught hacker after graduation, I can say with confidence that this is a great synthesis.

While contemporary academic philosophy is little more than a circular passing of jargon, there is no doubt that the practice of philosophy has inspired great science. Kant, for example, wrote books about anatomy and other empirical topics prior to this metaphysical work, and made prescient suggestions about the existence of other galaxies and the theory of evolution. Perhaps an infusion of CS will help win Philosophy back from the ivory tower.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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post #17

Caveat: this is an anecdote, and your mileage may vary, but I think it illustrates a point of contention in the "two cultures". As a computer science major in the US, I once took a "philosophy of mind" course out of a genuine multi-faceted interest in AI. I was working on undergraduate machine learning research at the time, so I used to pore over the green Norvig/Stewart AI book like a religious text. Unfortunately,…

This major is undoubtedly related to the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford. The academics associated with it take a very technical perspective, so I think you'd be satisfied. I believe Nick Bostrom is the main guy behind the FHI.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apply?

That's like answering, "How do I write a good book?" with "Start typing." Applying isn't the same thing as "getting in"--it's one small part. Where do you apply to? What matters in the application? Do you apply under the course or do you apply generically? Are "A-levels" a thing that matters? What are people looking for in applicants, or how do you find out?

Can't answer all your questions, but as a brit thats been on the brink of applying, I know that all applications go through a system called Ucas (http://www.ucas.ac.uk/).

I'm not sure if what we call 'Oxbridge', the big 2 (Oxford & Cambridge) handle their own applications, but I'm pretty sure Ucas is the place you need to start.

I know it works (at least for UK students) on a points system, where you get points per course, and the amount is set by the grades you get.

Things are different if your a 'mature' student, and if you have 'life experience'. Best thing to do is get in touch, and write a very compelling 'personal statement'. The latter being the first step to application.

I'm sure theres a few guys here who can give you more (oxbridge) related advice.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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How does an American get in to a program like this? Especially if, say hypothetically, they dropped out of school to work.

The teaching at Oxford (and Cambridge) is stellar and more Americans should consider it as an option. Getting onto an undergraduate programme is competitive but egalitarian: you need to show you are a top performer academically and then impress at an interview. Your competition at the application stage is (very roughly speaking) the smartest kid from every British school. Very few of them will get in; every course has many more applicants than places.

The Oxford University Entrance requirements, http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/courses... , state the following:

"US qualifications: Successful candidates would typically have SAT Reasoning Test scores of at least 700 in Critical Reading, Mathematics and the Writing Paper, or ACT with a score of at least 32 out of 36. We would also expect Grade 5 in three or more Advanced Placement tests in appropriate subjects or SAT Subject Tests in three appropriate subjects at 700 or better."

- I have no idea what that all means, but for comparison, every single Brit applying will have straight A-grades in their A-levels, and selection is almost entirely based on the interview (and in some cases, extra advanced examinations). So take these entrance requirements with a pinch of salt; they're necessary but not sufficient.

All that said, the colleges have extremely wide lee-way in how they make their offers, so exceptional candidates with a slightly offbeat scholastic record might have a chance. Some cynics also note that foreign students may have an advantage because they bring in far more money. But all in all the academic requirements are quite high. To sum up, it's very hard to get in, but not because of prejudice or snobbery, just intense competition.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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post #17

Caveat: this is an anecdote, and your mileage may vary, but I think it illustrates a point of contention in the "two cultures". As a computer science major in the US, I once took a "philosophy of mind" course out of a genuine multi-faceted interest in AI. I was working on undergraduate machine learning research at the time, so I used to pore over the green Norvig/Stewart AI book like a religious text. Unfortunately,…

This major is undoubtedly related to the Future of Humanity Institute at Oxford. The academics associated with it take a very technical perspective, so I think you'd be satisfied. I believe Nick Bostrom is the main guy behind the FHI.

Obscenely technical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRB6Qzx9oXs

(A google tech talk from someone at the FHI called "Whole Brain Emulation: The Logical Endpoint of Neuroinformatics?" Yeah. They're pretty serious guys.)

EDIT: They also run lesswrong.com. I imagine that's enough to get most here reaching for the UCAS forms...

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apply?

That's like answering, "How do I write a good book?" with "Start typing." Applying isn't the same thing as "getting in"--it's one small part. Where do you apply to? What matters in the application? Do you apply under the course or do you apply generically? Are "A-levels" a thing that matters? What are people looking for in applicants, or how do you find out?

A-levels are what high-school students take before applying to undergrad. It's a series of subject exams, like the SAT-II or (more appropriately) the AP; getting an "A" in A-levels is like getting a 5 on the AP. Generally speaking, any hopeful applicant to Oxbridge should have scored at least three A's.

Applying to Oxbridge involves applying to one of the colleges that offers that degree programme. See this list:

http://www.comlab.ox.ac.uk/admissions/ugrad/Computer_Science...

I suggest you look at

http://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate_courses/how_to_...

If your test scores are sufficient, you'll be invited to an interview. See previous discussion:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2103161

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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post #31
post #17

Caveat: this is an anecdote, and your mileage may vary, but I think it illustrates a point of contention in the "two cultures". As a computer science major in the US, I once took a "philosophy of mind" course out of a genuine multi-faceted interest in AI. I was working on undergraduate machine learning research at the time, so I used to pore over the green Norvig/Stewart AI book like a religious text. Unfortunately,…

If physics was taught the same way philosophy is, we'd learn about the four elements before getting to Newtonian mechanics.

Every high school chemistry textbook I've seen actually works this way! It's horrible. The chapter starts with Dalton, works up through Rutherford and Bohr, and the last two or three I've seen ended there. Each section is presented as fact, and the kids are quizzed to make sure they know the material, before tearing it all down and teaching them a new bogus theory in the next section. Ugh.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apply?

That's like answering, "How do I write a good book?" with "Start typing." Applying isn't the same thing as "getting in"--it's one small part. Where do you apply to? What matters in the application? Do you apply under the course or do you apply generically? Are "A-levels" a thing that matters? What are people looking for in applicants, or how do you find out?

If you ask how to write a book "start typing" is the good answer.

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