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How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This is true, IMO, but I think the author did the very thing he is warning against in this article.

> Barack Obama, still the smartest politician in the land

This statement has a bit of the pretentious, arrogant tone that Trump voters often hate from these sorts of Democrats.

> For the record, I’m agnostic on the Democratic field. I would vote for a tree stump if it could beat Trump.

This sort of blind hate for Trump is more of the same tone. Trump is so bad that a tree stump would be better isn't a great thing to say to connect with Trump voters.

I get this article's audience isn't Trump voters, but still, there's no reason to do the very thing you're warning against.

Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This really is the case for people like myself who have typically been center left. I would never vote for Trump but additionally I can never see myself vote for Sanders, Warren, etc. On the left end of the political spectrum there is no longer any space for people who aren't progressive enough.

The progressive left seem to be in the mindset that if they steamroll the population with ideas and rhetoric, rather than practical solutions then they will eventually follow. The paradoxical popularity of Trump is the result.

Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This really is the case for people like myself who have typically been center left. I would never vote for Trump but additionally I can never see myself vote for Sanders, Warren, etc. On the left end of the political spectrum there is no longer any space for people who aren't progressive enough. The progressive left seem to be in the mindset that if they steamroll the population with ideas and rhetoric, rather than p…

I'm not so sure. I think the center "do-nothing" left is the reason for Trump's popularity. Trump is a populist who has promised to "drain the swamp".

I think returning to the status quo like the center left wants to do is the last thing that Trump voters want, but I might be wrong.

Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This really is the case for people like myself who have typically been center left. I would never vote for Trump but additionally I can never see myself vote for Sanders, Warren, etc. On the left end of the political spectrum there is no longer any space for people who aren't progressive enough. The progressive left seem to be in the mindset that if they steamroll the population with ideas and rhetoric, rather than p…

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Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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Yeah couldn't agree more with this sentiment.

I'm unafilliated libertarian but lean left on many things and I have an unbelievably strong dislike of Trump. All the democrats would have to do would be to exist quietly and generally oppose Trump to come off looking like super heros in my mind. All they have to do is be the voice of reason/ adults in the room and even if I'm generally unaligned politically I'd vote for them.

Instead they have decided that they have to try to be equally obnoxious in the other direction. At least obnoxious republicans just pretty much say "yup we're assholes what are you going to do about it?" But democrats manage to be 90% as obnoxious most of the time while maintaining this intolerable smugness and self righteousness and absolute refusal to acknowledge that anyone who doesn't tow their line absolutely isn't a "facist", "racist", "misoginst", "xxxxxist".

Look at how they are treating Tulsi Gabbard to see how intense this desire to eat their own if they are minorly off message is.

They've become the thing they used to hate.

I think I would literally vote for a turd sandwich over Mitt Romney and yet as someone who is fairly left leaning, I would take him over most of the current batch of Democratic Nominees.

If Bernie would stop trying to incite a literal class war every time he opened his mouth I could probably tolerate him but he's leaning more and more extreme every day. I supported him in 2016.

In the end, I've decided the best thing to do is to care as little as possible. If Trump won again I think I'd be annoyed for about 5 minutes and then I'd be over it. I can't be bothered anymore.

Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This really is the case for people like myself who have typically been center left. I would never vote for Trump but additionally I can never see myself vote for Sanders, Warren, etc. On the left end of the political spectrum there is no longer any space for people who aren't progressive enough. The progressive left seem to be in the mindset that if they steamroll the population with ideas and rhetoric, rather than p…

I'm not so sure. I think the center "do-nothing" left is the reason for Trump's popularity. Trump is a populist who has promised to "drain the swamp". I think returning to the status quo like the center left wants to do is the last thing that Trump voters want, but I might be wrong.

Strongly disagree with this.

Both sides love to blame the middle because they think they are the people who secretly agree with them but are too apathetic to fight for your cause.

The polarized parties are so disgusting these days, doing nothing is my act of protest. Think that's hurting your side? Too bad. Make a stomachable political movement and many people would reassess.

When you crowd out everyone except the people who are to scared of being shamed by disagreeing with you you will be left with a movement of idiots and assholes and that's sure what both parties look like to me at the moment.

Re: How the Insufferably Woke Help Trump

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This really is the case for people like myself who have typically been center left. I would never vote for Trump but additionally I can never see myself vote for Sanders, Warren, etc. On the left end of the political spectrum there is no longer any space for people who aren't progressive enough. The progressive left seem to be in the mindset that if they steamroll the population with ideas and rhetoric, rather than p…

I'm not so sure. I think the center "do-nothing" left is the reason for Trump's popularity. Trump is a populist who has promised to "drain the swamp". I think returning to the status quo like the center left wants to do is the last thing that Trump voters want, but I might be wrong.

The idea of “centrist apathy” is pretty much unfounded. Most of the time people who describe themselves as center-x are people who would normally be characterised as left or right in the past. Instead we have increasingly polarised parties that represent the minorities and not the whole. Trump succeeded because he somehow managed to appeal to those who have been left out in the cold by the progressive left while also appealing to the right.