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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by kempbellt »

dobleboble wrote: post #171
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #131

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

>You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

If it's on the internet and you can access it, yes you do.

It's like arguing that if you watch a concert through the fence, rather than paying to get in, you're stealing from the musicians.

This "theft" argument is old.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by daedalus_j »

Dobbs wrote: post #4

For the love of all that is holy let us split our netflix account out! My user is on my brothers account from when we lived together a long time ago. Every year I check to see if there is a way to split the user out. Every year I remain disappointed and continue on using the same account.

Agree. I'm in the same situation. A huge part of the value of Netflix to me is that it remembers what I've watched before, even when I haven't. "Oh hey, new season of that show I liked several years ago? I'll watch that!"

If they bust my best friend and I for sharing an account now that we no longer live together that's fine, but I simply won't re-subscribe unless they can move my profile over.

I think this illustrates a massive flaw in the current streaming wars. The content is only half the value. Remembering which shows you liked and want to see more of, and which shows you've watched and decided you hated, etc, is a huge value in the increasingly large sea of available content. (And recommendations too, if they're good. I subscribe to Spotify almost exclusively for the recommendations it provides and discovery of new things I like.)

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by chadlavi »

crikli wrote: post #7

> “If you ask any cohort of young people if they will ever pay for Netflix or video services, the answer is unequivocally no,” said Mike McCormack, an analyst at Guggenheim Securities. Good grief what a stupid quote to use as a pretext for tacitly supporting these measures. When I was “young”, whatever that undefined number means, I swore there were lots of things I’d never pay for. Streaming music services, are a ge…

also -- if a demographic says they don't want to pay for your product, why would you think cutting off their free access to it would change their mind? There's a lot of competition in the streaming video space.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by Thriptic »

harryh wrote: post #106
me_me_me wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moment I needed a bloody table with different companies/packages/subscription in order to figure-out how to watch that show I heard from a friend, I just go to a place where i can get it right now and watch it with my food still warm. Its not customer's fault that the only option for that is now piracy. You want my business earn it, I've yet to see people jumping hurdles and run 10km to get McD burger. Then momen…

I remember 10 years ago that the answer to rayiner's question was always "I don't want to pay a ton of money for a whole bundle of crap I don't want when all I want to watch is one specific thing." I saw it all the time. Now people complain about the complexities of unbundling. It's fairly clear to me that these complaints, while real, aren't the core issue which is: people would rather get content for free than pay…

> It's fairly clear to me that these complaints, while real, aren't the core issue which is: people would rather get content for free than pay for it. So a lot of the time they will.

That's not a fair framing. It's not that people want everything for free, it's that they aren't willing to pay an arm and a leg to get everything. I'm happy to pay for 2-3 networks (and do) for 30-50 or so a month but in return I want EVERYTHING meaning live sports and all the shows with no region blocking. I am not willing to pay 150 per month for that and I am not willing to pay 50 for a small subset of content which comes and goes. Sorry, the product was overpriced as a bundle and is still overpriced as an a la carte offering. I don't currently torrent but I understand why other people do as the current setup is highly irritating. You can say I'm being unreasonable and maybe I am, but it is how I feel.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by paxys »

dobleboble wrote: post #171
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #131

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

Convenience does not justify theft. You don't have an entitlement to consume specific content.

There are valid arguments for whether it is right nor wrong, but it is most certainly not "theft". Call it copyright infringement or piracy or whatever else.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by LeoNatan25 »

khc wrote: post #145
option wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

plus I don’t have to sign up on yet another service for just one film/show. I am 100% in for paying for the films/shows. Just give me a convenient cross-platform option to do so without any BS

Don't Google/Apple all have pay per view for movies and shows? You don't have to have a subscription.

Because of politics and DRM, Apple doesn't offer Disney movies in 4K, for example. I really don't give a rats behind about Hollywood politics. I would have purchased if I could get DRM free movies. Alas, this is not an option. So I go the "remux" way, where everything is free, quality is better than all streaming services and there is no DRM. It's up to Hollywood to make change.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by jimbokun »

megablast wrote: post #146
basch wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix pricing was always temporary. Content owners werent ready to destroy their old business models, they temporarily rented licensing rights to Netflix while they figured out how they were going to handle shifts in consumption. It's almost the same thing as Uber prices being VC subsidized. And now Disney is following the same playbook, sell Disney+ at or below cost for a while until they can inflate MAU enough th…

> Content owners werent ready to destroy their old business models, they temporarily rented licensing rights to Netflix while they figured out how they were going to handle shifts in consumption. No, they saw a new revenue stream, and jumped on it. Then they saw where things were heading, and they would have less control if Netflix took over, so they all pulled back and started up their own streaming services.

You are saying the same thing.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by dublinben »

harryh wrote: post #106
me_me_me wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The moment I needed a bloody table with different companies/packages/subscription in order to figure-out how to watch that show I heard from a friend, I just go to a place where i can get it right now and watch it with my food still warm. Its not customer's fault that the only option for that is now piracy. You want my business earn it, I've yet to see people jumping hurdles and run 10km to get McD burger. Then momen…

I remember 10 years ago that the answer to rayiner's question was always "I don't want to pay a ton of money for a whole bundle of crap I don't want when all I want to watch is one specific thing." I saw it all the time. Now people complain about the complexities of unbundling. It's fairly clear to me that these complaints, while real, aren't the core issue which is: people would rather get content for free than pay…

I've yet to see a single studio offer to sell me a DRM-free copy of a movie or TV show, at any price. Until they do, their offering is strictly worse than what 'piracy' is offering.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Post by quineoa »

kempbellt wrote: post #176
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #131

No worries, I'll just use the torrent sharers. I bet those will give me a constant 4K quality on all my devices, no ridiculous DRM, get to keep them once I terminate my "subscription", etc. Oh and it's free, not 10-15$ USD for each service.

I may (or may not) have built my own Netflix competitor. It had more content than all of the major providers combined. Legal buffer: I will not say what the content was. It may have all been non-copyrighted cat videos ;) The service was available cross region. Stored videos in multiple resolutions for streamability in low-bandwidth situations. No DRM bs. It cost me under $400/month to run the whole service, and I cou…

I am curious to know about the infra / tech stack, if you're comfortable with sharing any information.
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