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Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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I recently completed my M.Sc in Software Engineering at the University of Oxford (Soft Eng is closely affiliated with ComLab, but is a slightly separate department) and I can only speak well of the program, its lecturers, and its resources. This looks like a great program; if I were 18 again I might consider going to Oxford for this undergrad degree.

There are several Oxonians on HN from the looks of it. I read for my DPhil in Computing, as did @cperciva.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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How is this different from majoring in computer science and minoring in philosophy?

It seems like it has a roughly 50-50 CS/philosophy focus. While I'm majoring in CS, I'm also a philosophy minor in all but name (my university doesn't offer minors), and I really would have liked more philosophy in the mix.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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How is this different from majoring in computer science and minoring in philosophy?

This is approximately a "double major".

For those in the UK unaware, "X and Y" suggests an approximate 50:50 split. "X with Y" suggests a heavy emphasis on X, more of a 75:25 split.

And as others have pointed out, in the UK, apart from in some specific degrees (Cambridge Science Tripos springs to mind), the idea of completing a degree out of mainly self-selected units is a bit crazy.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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These two fields have been begging to merge for several years now. Great to see it happening. I'd like to see extended to a post-grad program. You could choose either business coding or academic coding. Both are rich areas for combining these two disciplines. Philosophy gives CS a broader, more conceptual view of how things fit together, and CS gives philosophy something useful to do -- it provides a hard edge from w…

Not sure why this was down-voted. I'd love to see this extended to a post-grad program too.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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I'm studying Computer Science+Philosophy in Munich, although, technically, Philosophy is a part of my CS studies (one can choose a subject different from CS to do some credits in, many choose Math/Physics, I chose Philosophy). The fun thing is that when I wrote my motivational letter about why I wanted to do Philosophy, my reasoning why I'd want to do it was almost the same as in this article.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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I recently completed my M.Sc in Software Engineering at the University of Oxford (Soft Eng is closely affiliated with ComLab, but is a slightly separate department) and I can only speak well of the program, its lecturers, and its resources. This looks like a great program; if I were 18 again I might consider going to Oxford for this undergrad degree.

There are several Oxonians on HN from the looks of it. I read for my DPhil in Computing, as did @cperciva.

When did you finish your degree? Perhaps we were there at the same time? Although I was in a part-time program, so it's more likely that you know my TAs :-P.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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Caveat: this is an anecdote, and your mileage may vary, but I think it illustrates a point of contention in the "two cultures".

As a computer science major in the US, I once took a "philosophy of mind" course out of a genuine multi-faceted interest in AI. I was working on undergraduate machine learning research at the time, so I used to pore over the green Norvig/Stewart AI book like a religious text. Unfortunately, the philosophy course seemed deeply rooted in classical theories like dualism (which I think of as a rationalization for religious dogma), ignoring any and all modern advances in neuroscience. The final straw was the lecture unit on "artificial minds". There was a lot of uninformed speculation about AI, which really disappointed me. The professor (and textbooks) completely ignored beautiful advances like Godel's theorem, which would make a great foundation for philosophizing about axiomatic "minds". I tried to speak up about what AI really is, even tried bringing Russell/Norvig into class, but I don't know if it was the professor or the students who were more resistant to facts clogging up the debate.

Anyway, I have nothing against philosophers, and I believe that they are an important part of the intellectual framework of academia. However, in inter-disciplinary cases like this, I really hope that they get people that can successfully straddle both sides of the divide. Stephen Hawking's quote in his new book comes to mind. I don't remember the exact words, but it was along the lines that a lot (not all, naturally) of philosophers have closed themselves off to science and thus denied themselves access to the greatest intellectual developments of the 20th century.

Re: Oxford announces new degree in Computer Science and Philosophy

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These two fields have been begging to merge for several years now. Great to see it happening. I'd like to see extended to a post-grad program. You could choose either business coding or academic coding. Both are rich areas for combining these two disciplines. Philosophy gives CS a broader, more conceptual view of how things fit together, and CS gives philosophy something useful to do -- it provides a hard edge from w…

You can manage to do something like that as a CS PhD if you have the right advisor, though it's harder to pull off than it used to be as CS has gotten much more obsessed about being a rigorous science. It especially used to be the case in AI, and in some corners still is, that a good thesis makes conceptual and philosophical advances in analyzing problems and domains (or proposing new problems), which are "validated" not only via mathematical theorems, user studies, or benchmarks, but by arguing for your conclusions, the way a philosophy thesis would (though of course technical results can be used to bolster the argument where appropriate). The PhD theses Douglas Hofstadter supervises are an example.
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