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Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

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Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#51

NetBeans is open source. At least OpenOffice and Hudson have already been forked. Are there any obstacles (name has to be changed of course) for forking this project as well?

No need:

>>However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#52
Honestly, I feel like the title here is a little misleading.

The message from the netbeans team is that they just didn't have enough resources to support both Rails and upcoming Java 7 and so they had to drop development. They also are encouraging the community to pick up and continue development of Rails support for the IDE.

I guess it's possible that a lack of resources is just an excuse to remove that support, but to me this seems like a genuine reason. I don't get the sense that Oracle just pulled the plug for political reasons.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#53
Is anybody actually using NetBeans for Ruby? I tried it very early in my exploration of Ruby, but quickly switched to gedit, and eventually emacs (using technomancy's emacs starter kit). Now that I use emacs, any other editor (particularly one that requires a hand on the mouse) feels like an RSI producing nightmare.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#54
post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

The OSS community for Hudson (actually, CloudBees) is forking Hudson against Oracle's will. RoR support is just dropped due to various constraints and the community is actually encouraged to intervene: >However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans IDE. I'm curious if people will pick up RoR support or j…

How widely is NetBeans used by the RoR community? I'm (purely) guessing not very widely at all.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#55

The most important parts are: > To maintain that objective and capitalize on the JDK 7 release themes [...] it is necessary that our engineering resources are committed to [...] NetBeans IDE 7.0. (from http://netbeans.org/community/news/show/1507.html ) and >However, we strongly encourage our community of NetBeans Ruby users and developers to volunteer to take on development of Ruby on Rails support for the NetBeans…

I think you're right. The intersection of interested Ruby developers + with Java experience + knowledge of the Netbeans platform + and motivation/time to maintain the plugin seems vanishingly small.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#56
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you seeing any benefit yet? (I've tried that switch myself but I think I gave up too early).

Mhh, it takes some time to get accustomed to vim but it's worth it. Just don't give up too early. I'm using XCode and vim ... XCode for iOS development and for everything else vim. Prior to that I used TextMate ... After a few weeks of constant vim usage it happens that I start typing vim commands into XCode (or into any other bigger text field). For example I regularly press a/i/o before I start typing the text. Or…

I hate to lead this further off-topic, but I'm trying to get into Vim myself -- how to you approach having multiple files open? Buffers? Tabs? Windows? The netbeans/visual studio/et. al. tabbed approach has always worked well for me, and I'm finding that to be my biggest stumbling block in switching to Vim.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#57

use mvim + NERDtree

Absolutely agree. I also highly recommend FuzzyFinder if you like TextMate's "Go To File" (CTRL+SHIFT+R Eclipse, CTRL+SHIFT+O NetBeans), and also combined with the Project plugin.

Here's a decent tutorial in setting it up:

http://colonelpanic.net/2010/05/textmate-go-to-file-in-vim/

The tutorial uses Project (I would say complementary more than an alternative to NERDTree). It depends on your needs, and I use both. NERDTree for general navigation, but the way Project buckets content results in some flexibility as well. Along with using netrw to do remote development via scp/rsync, you could also create a hybridized project of local and remote content and run a vimgrep on all files. There are at least a few applications for this with, maybe a quick way to manage config or view log files (if they're small enough) on multiple servers/shards for example.

Additionally you can also have it run scripts to switch dev environments when you switch projects. Project switches are triggered when you open a buffer for a file in a different project. If you are working on several platforms and have multiple build scripts, I find this to be helpful. One limitation though, if you have a split or tab with multiple buffers from different projects, the most recent opened project's environment persists.

So FF + Project's workflow is: (1) keys (,f for me) to "Go To File", (2) type in a search pattern, (3) open a file with your environment fully setup and ready to go. For me it has been pretty good so far over the past year or so with a few minor issues.

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#58
post #39

You know between Java, Hudson and moves like this it feels like we're ripe for an Onion-style article about Oracle execs running out of ideas for pissing off the OSS community and so doing a road-trip around the country to individually insult every OSS developer and user in the most graphic and personal way they can think of.

Oracle has a profitable business model. It works for them. They have some open source projects that they no longer care to support. In the open source model, someone else is free to carry the torch. It should only require a few people to adopt the Ruby plugin. There are already lots of Netbeans plugins so the learning curve:

http://plugins.netbeans.org/PluginPortal

Complaining about Oracle, or any profit driven company, won't help. Growing open source communities will:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/netbeans-plugins

Re: Oracle discontinues Ruby/Rails support for NetBeans

#60

Nooooo.... I've gradually moved away from NetBeans as a general Ruby/Rails editor but I often came back for the great debugging support. Any suggestion for alternative Rails debuggers?

ruby-debug?

urgh... yes I've used it but I was hoping for something a little less 1980's. We can have multiple windows now ;-)

I find it useful to be able to see the current stack, drill into variables, view my code with syntax highlighting, and the current line all at the same time. It helps me understand where I am.

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