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Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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Full digest of the bill - https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-digests...

Lots to read over, but this stuck out to me so far.

"gross emissions of biogenic methane in a calendar year are 10% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2030; and are at least 24% to 47% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2050 and for each subsequent calendar year"

"no remedy or relief is available for failure to meet the 2050 target or an emissions budget, and the 2050 target and emissions budgets are not enforceable in a court of law, except that if the 2050 target or an emissions budget is not met, a court may make a declaration to that effect, together with an award of costs"

Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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Unfortunately it looks like just another bureaucracy with opportunity to appoint friends and supporters, but no real teeth or legal authority:

"-no remedy or relief is available for failure to meet the 2050 target or an emissions budget, and the 2050 target and emissions budgets are not enforceable in a court of law, except that if the 2050 target or an emissions budget is not met, a court may make a declaration to that effect, together with an award of costs

-a person or body may, but is not require to, take the 2050 target or an emissions budget into account in the exercise or performance of a public function, power, or duty"

Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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Unfortunately it looks like just another bureaucracy with opportunity to appoint friends and supporters, but no real teeth or legal authority: "-no remedy or relief is available for failure to meet the 2050 target or an emissions budget, and the 2050 target and emissions budgets are not enforceable in a court of law, except that if the 2050 target or an emissions budget is not met, a court may make a declaration to t…

The great thing about a 31 year old target with no teeth means everyone can feel good today and no one responsible will be around if it fails.

Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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Full digest of the bill - https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-digests... Lots to read over, but this stuck out to me so far. "gross emissions of biogenic methane in a calendar year are 10% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2030; and are at least 24% to 47% less than 2017 emissions by the calendar year beginning on 1 January 2050 and for each subsequent calendar year…

Unless they plan to ban the consumption of meat, the biogenic methane cap seems like it would result in more emissions. If Kiwis don't grow their own beef, they will just have it shipped from abroad. Same consumption pattern, no global change in gross biogenic methane, but now there is the added emissions of shipping the beef across an ocean.

Also, I can scarcely think of a more Orwellian idea than that Kiwis may soon be required to hold a (scarce) methane permit in order to raise livestock on their own land. Your sow had a litter, ey? Hope your permits are in order!

Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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> Ardern went on to say she absolutely believed climate change was the "biggest challenge of our time" and the "nuclear moment" for this generation.

I find it ironic the prime minister is using “nuclear” as a pejorative when it was the left’s irrational opposition to nuclear power that resulted in much of the world's electricity being produced by fossil fuels.

If we had embraced nuclear power 2 decades ago, we would have been in much better shape with respect to CO2 than we are in now.

Re: Climate Change Response (Zero Carbon) Amendment Bill

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> • Reduce emissions of all greenhouse gases except biogenic methane, to net zero by 2050

Lol more self important politicians making symbolic statements that will never be implemented. It didn't say how they do this. Go Nuclear? I guess the current politicians wont be there in 2050 so it doesn't really matter.

Good thing they import all their manufactured goods from China, so at least they dont count.

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