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Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by dkonofalski »

sueders101 wrote: post #43
dkonofalski wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is going to get a billion dollar judgement over a death from a self-driving car. If you think every tech company working on a driverless system doesn't have an entire legal team behind them waiving away liabilities then I have a bridge to sell you.

Having a great legal team doesn't mean you can't lose billions of dollars in court; as Monsanto/Bayer recently found out. The jury may not look favorably upon tech companies. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jury-awards-couple-2billion-mon...

That's not an equal comparison unless you know of some internal leaked Tesla documents that show criminal negligence like in the RoundUp cases. Considering that every self-driving feature of a Tesla requires you to affirm that you accept responsibility for the car's actions, there would need to be intent shown on Tesla's part in order for something like that to be paid out. Even in the RoundUp cases, Monsanto is appealing.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by naringas »

RandallBrown wrote: post #16
naringas wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

What if I'm driving a car and get hit by another car (in such a way that it is not my fault)? I imagine it would be the same.

except that you're nowhere near your car

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Post by mrkstu »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #29
kerng wrote: post #15

The biggest problem and confusion just is that there isn't a driver. Noone challenges a human for going on a joyride. The fact that there is no driver visible might be a bigger challenge for self driving vehicles and its acceptance.

They need an inflatable autopilot.

Here comes Johnny Cab:

https://talkingpointz.com/johnny-cab/

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by jfoster »

deckar01 wrote: post #27
jerkstate wrote: post #2

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

During the "Autonomy Day" announcements, I believe Elon Musk said he assumed the company would be liable for any damage caused by driverless vehicles. When the cause of an accident is a manufacturing flaw, the manufacturer is liable. Tesla has been sued several times regarding autopilot, but in all those cases they argued that the product wasn't flawed, it was just missing features that a human driver was expected to…

I think all of the autonomy features Tesla have shipped have requested that the driver monitors them. There's a distinction to be made between this and the eventual autonomy whereby they don't intend on the driver being able to override the car (aka. Robotaxis) when the responsibility would shift from driver to company.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by sadahtay »

paul7986 wrote: post #34
chewz wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Move fast and kill people?

Kill people ..learn from their deaths...deploy ..kill more people and learn from their deaths..deploy the latest...rinse and repeat until maybe decades later these robots are safer then human drivers. Progress is going to be a killer!

I'm pretty sure they're already safer than human drivers.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by deckar01 »

jfoster wrote: post #54
deckar01 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During the "Autonomy Day" announcements, I believe Elon Musk said he assumed the company would be liable for any damage caused by driverless vehicles. When the cause of an accident is a manufacturing flaw, the manufacturer is liable. Tesla has been sued several times regarding autopilot, but in all those cases they argued that the product wasn't flawed, it was just missing features that a human driver was expected to…

I think all of the autonomy features Tesla have shipped have requested that the driver monitors them. There's a distinction to be made between this and the eventual autonomy whereby they don't intend on the driver being able to override the car (aka. Robotaxis) when the responsibility would shift from driver to company.

This feature is a little different though. You have no way of immediately gaining control of the vehicle. Your only possible action is top summoning, which may not stop the chain of events that lead to an accident. They have argued that people sitting in a vehicle should be required to anticipate and prevent accidents, but it seems like a stretch to expect the same of someone standing at a curb with nothing but an off switch.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by skookum »

retrovm wrote: post #35
xwdv wrote: post #13

There is absolutely zero confusion in this video.

Are you joking? The car is driving down the wrong side of the road.

The video was shot in the Richmond Center parking lot [1]. That Tesla is (unfortunately) displaying above-average driving skill for that location.

[1] https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1646475,-123.1373743,18z

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by hughes »

rosybox wrote: post #31
hughes wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To get a sense of what would be required to "pocket summon" the car, you'd have to: - pocket unlock phone - pocket open tesla app - pocket scroll down to Summon - pocket click Summon - pocket select "Smart Summon" from within the Summon screen - pocket click the target button on the map - pocket hold down the "come to me" button continuously All this while being within 200ft of the car.

This can totally happen. You might have already had the summon view up and targeted already, ready to leave, when your friend mentions something to you and you just stick your phone in your pocket.

That's actually a good point. Even if the tesla app reverts to its default state when the phone is locked, one might pocket their unlocked phone while "come to me" is shown.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Post by colechristensen »

sadahtay wrote: post #56
paul7986 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kill people ..learn from their deaths...deploy ..kill more people and learn from their deaths..deploy the latest...rinse and repeat until maybe decades later these robots are safer then human drivers. Progress is going to be a killer!

I'm pretty sure they're already safer than human drivers.

What makes you sure?
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