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Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

#21

“Driverless” is going to see a fast and final end when a small child gets killed by one of these robots and the owner, manufacturer, and every insurance company within throwing distance gets a billion dollar lawsuit judgement. There is much hubris going around about AI and machine vision with business people and grad students taking lives into their hands and not seriously handling the responsibility.

Move fast and kill people?

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

Never mind the law, have the actuaries caught up with developments?

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the phone erroneously detected an action? AKA a pocket summon. Is the phone manufacturer liable in that case?

To get a sense of what would be required to "pocket summon" the car, you'd have to: - pocket unlock phone - pocket open tesla app - pocket scroll down to Summon - pocket click Summon - pocket select "Smart Summon" from within the Summon screen - pocket click the target button on the map - pocket hold down the "come to me" button continuously All this while being within 200ft of the car.

"pocket summon" probably isn't the most likely scenario. A more likely one is using pocket summon while in the rain, and water on the touchscreen causing the summon button to remain pressed even after the finger's lifted.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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The biggest problem and confusion just is that there isn't a driver. Noone challenges a human for going on a joyride. The fact that there is no driver visible might be a bigger challenge for self driving vehicles and its acceptance.

Tinted windows will solve that.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

i'm not a lawyer, but my guess for both questions, the driver's inability to provide an eyewitness account would probably heavily bias towards their fault. Kind of like if you were driving your car with your eyes closed.

The new Tesla cars have 8 cameras. You can download the video to a USB drive.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

#27

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

During the "Autonomy Day" announcements, I believe Elon Musk said he assumed the company would be liable for any damage caused by driverless vehicles. When the cause of an accident is a manufacturing flaw, the manufacturer is liable. Tesla has been sued several times regarding autopilot, but in all those cases they argued that the product wasn't flawed, it was just missing features that a human driver was expected to provide. I'm not sure what Tesla's expectations of their customers are for this feature. Maybe the owner had to agree to use it only when in line of site and stop it if it was not operating safely.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

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post #4

I would assume, like in the USA, the person who hit the "summon" button would be liable for anything the car did.

what if the summoned car gets hit by another car (in such a way the it is not the tesla's fault)? what if somebody throws themselves into the tesla?

This actually happened and was on video as well. It was the first week smart summon came out. A Tesla was moving, already behind a car, then the car just backed out into it. A typical parking lot crash that happens all the time. Parking lots are terrible places for accidents.

Of course many in the media took the video and created a headline which was VERY misleading.. "Tesla smart summon gets into accident"... while yes, that is true, it was no fault of the Tesla doing smart summon.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

#29
post #15

The biggest problem and confusion just is that there isn't a driver. Noone challenges a human for going on a joyride. The fact that there is no driver visible might be a bigger challenge for self driving vehicles and its acceptance.

They need an inflatable autopilot.

Re: Driverless Tesla coasting along mall parking lot causes confusion

#30

“Driverless” is going to see a fast and final end when a small child gets killed by one of these robots and the owner, manufacturer, and every insurance company within throwing distance gets a billion dollar lawsuit judgement. There is much hubris going around about AI and machine vision with business people and grad students taking lives into their hands and not seriously handling the responsibility.

No one is going to get a billion dollar judgement over a death from a self-driving car. If you think every tech company working on a driverless system doesn't have an entire legal team behind them waiving away liabilities then I have a bridge to sell you.
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