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Simply being born is no justification for stealing by fiat. People should be rewarded for saving capital. Forcing people to gamble their money only to maintain the wealth they already earned is not ethical. It is sufficient for people to be incentivized to spend money on things that are useful or interesting and to invest for higher return where the investment is sound. EDIT: the money stolen by fiat is not evenly re…
People should be rewarded for saving value not cash. That’s the point. Invest the cash and problem solved.
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Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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People should be rewarded for saving value not cash. That’s the point. Invest the cash and problem solved.
Accumulation of savings is valuable as it can be used for capital investment at the best opportunity. Forcing people to spend prematurely on crappy mal-investment is not optimal. Spending for the sake of spending is not optimal investment.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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Accumulation of savings is valuable as it can be used for capital investment at the best opportunity. Forcing people to spend prematurely on crappy mal-investment is not optimal. Spending for the sake of spending is not optimal investment.
You're telling me in the market today, there's absolutely nowhere for you to productively allocate capital for an expected return of over 1.8% per annum? Even though Ally offers savings accounts that yield 1.8% per annum? And treasury bills yields are 2.2%? Remember, a savings account or CD are also valid investments assuming they yield more than inflation. What I'm saying you shouldn't do is store literal cash in a…
This centralized artificial interference has caused major imbalances in the economy here. It didn't work for the Soviet Union and it's not working in the "capitalist" world either.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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You're telling me in the market today, there's absolutely nowhere for you to productively allocate capital for an expected return of over 1.8% per annum? Even though Ally offers savings accounts that yield 1.8% per annum? And treasury bills yields are 2.2%? Remember, a savings account or CD are also valid investments assuming they yield more than inflation. What I'm saying you shouldn't do is store literal cash in a…
A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. The cost of housing has increased hundreds of percent over the last 20 years thanks to central bank monetary policy that artificially manipulate interest rates. A shoebox apartment is now ridiculously unaffordable. I can put money into savings that loses money after inflation, and funds a system that is fundamentally corrupt, which leaves me wo…
That's a market force designed to disincentivize that investment. Nobody's guaranteed a risk-free return, or even retention of value in what's not a long-term store of value. Pick something else to invest it in.
For what it's worth, NZ's inflation rate is tracking at 1.5% per annum and Rabobank offers a 2.4% online savings account.
> The cost of housing has increased hundreds of percent over the last 20 years thanks to central bank monetary policy that artificially manipulate interest rates. A shoebox apartment is now ridiculously unaffordable.
Cost of housing is a total red herring and largely unrelated to this conversation. Cost of housing is overwhelmingly supply-side driven. If you want cheaper houses demand municipalities permit new construction. You can always build up, there's no limit on that. Build enough, the cost will drop substantially. There's plenty of markets that exemplify this effect, like Houston and Tokyo. SF on the other hand routinely forbids totally reasonable construction and the pricing speaks for itself.
The cost of housing roughly boils down to this: the narrative is that housing "should be an investment" and that it "should go up over time" so the directionality is accepted. Homeowners tend to be older, wealthier, have deeper ties to the community and vote. Renters tend to be younger, less affluent, transient and don't vote. As such policies are enacted that benefit homeowners. This includes zoning restrictions, building restrictions and tax deductions benefiting homeowners. Too few new units are built relative to influx of population, and price goes up. It's simple market economics.
Want to solve the problem? Get people to vote to allow more housing.
For what it's worth in the US housing prices on average tend to track inflation. It's certain municipalities like SF and NYC that far exceed due to asinine policy. The monetary policy was the same in all regions of the US so why then would pricing changes be uncorrelated across markets?
> I can put money into savings that loses money after inflation, and funds a system that is fundamentally corrupt, which leaves me worse off overall than if we had a real free market without centralized manipulation of currency and interest rates.
New Zealand ranks routinely as the world's least corrupt government. A system that maintains stability of money and debases it over time slowly and predictably helps keep wealth inequality down, and benefits the less well off by inflating away debts and encourages productive allocation of capital.
> This centralized artificial interference has caused major imbalances in the economy here. It didn't work for the Soviet Union and it's not working in the "capitalist" world either.
This doesn't make sense. The Soviet Union fell for all sorts of reasons that weren't inflation related or even central planning related. Authoritarian states tend to do so in time.
I'd say it's working just fine, inflation is roughly 1-2% per annum and incredibly well controlled. We've got plenty of actual problems (like the cost of housing), though, this isn't one of them.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. The cost of housing has increased hundreds of percent over the last 20 years thanks to central bank monetary policy that artificially manipulate interest rates. A shoebox apartment is now ridiculously unaffordable. I can put money into savings that loses money after inflation, and funds a system that is fundamentally corrupt, which leaves me wo…
> A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. That's a market force designed to disincentivize that investment. Nobody's guaranteed a risk-free return, or even retention of value in what's not a long-term store of value. Pick something else to invest it in. For what it's worth, NZ's inflation rate is tracking at 1.5% per annum and Rabobank offers a 2.4% online savings account. > The cost…
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. The cost of housing has increased hundreds of percent over the last 20 years thanks to central bank monetary policy that artificially manipulate interest rates. A shoebox apartment is now ridiculously unaffordable. I can put money into savings that loses money after inflation, and funds a system that is fundamentally corrupt, which leaves me wo…
> A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. That's a market force designed to disincentivize that investment. Nobody's guaranteed a risk-free return, or even retention of value in what's not a long-term store of value. Pick something else to invest it in. For what it's worth, NZ's inflation rate is tracking at 1.5% per annum and Rabobank offers a 2.4% online savings account. > The cost…
Yes New Zealand is the least corrupt government in the world, apparently, and despite that, the divide between rich and poor is increasing. It has become way less affordable to live here since the mid 2000's and is not getting any easier. We are locked in to a corrupt global system. Our monetary policy is a slave to the global socialist monetary system.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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> A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. That's a market force designed to disincentivize that investment. Nobody's guaranteed a risk-free return, or even retention of value in what's not a long-term store of value. Pick something else to invest it in. For what it's worth, NZ's inflation rate is tracking at 1.5% per annum and Rabobank offers a 2.4% online savings account. > The cost…
New Zealands actual inflation is way, way higher than 1.5%. You are very naive and gullible if you believe that number. You also have no idea how the cost of housing is determined. Central banks have artificially manipulated interest rates to an extremely low level, where savers are forced to malinvest in things such as housing, which is also encouraged by mortgage rates being way below the reasonable cost, because a…
It's defined with a mathematical formula based on a basket of goods. You haven't provided any sources other than your gut and a baseless assertion about gullibility. I have references [1, 2].
> You also have no idea how the cost of housing is determined.
It's literally on the investopedia write-up. [3] And also, it's basic, fundamental market economics. More supply, price goes down. Less supply, price goes up assuming constant demand. Sure lending makes unaffordable places more affordable. That doesn't really matter if you flood the market with supply though does it? [4]
FTA [4]: "Tokyo rent is cheaper because it builds lots of housing. Every year, the city adds about 100,000 new homes. This increase has more than kept up with the increase in population, leading to a housing surplus." Average rent is $2.50/sqft in Tokyo vs $6/sqft in SF. And they have negative interest rates. Supply. Matters.
> Central banks have artificially manipulated interest rates to an extremely low level.
Set them at a low level. That's their job. To maintain a consistent, low, predictable rate of inflation.
> The reserve bank governor even admitted they were at fault.
Look I'm not saying they're perfect, I'm saying inflation has little to do with the very real issues you call out.
[1] https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary-policy/inflation
[2] https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/consumers-pri...
[3] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/040215/how-does-law...
[4] https://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-ed-california-ho...
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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> A savings account pays below the real inflation rate here in New Zealand. That's a market force designed to disincentivize that investment. Nobody's guaranteed a risk-free return, or even retention of value in what's not a long-term store of value. Pick something else to invest it in. For what it's worth, NZ's inflation rate is tracking at 1.5% per annum and Rabobank offers a 2.4% online savings account. > The cost…
As for the Soviet Union - I was talking about their centralized / planned economy. Socialism. We have a socialist monetary system in the West. Yes New Zealand is the least corrupt government in the world, apparently, and despite that, the divide between rich and poor is increasing. It has become way less affordable to live here since the mid 2000's and is not getting any easier. We are locked in to a corrupt global s…
> ...the divide between rich and poor is increasing...
For sure, and it shouldn't. At least in the US it really started to get bad after Reagan dropped the top income tax from 90% to the current 35%. And the estate tax from 80% to the current basically-zero. Nothing to do with inflation, in fact, inflation would reduce this spread as it would disproportionately affect those with more money, and aid those with debt.
Who would have thought that letting the wealthy keep more money would lead to the wealthy having more money? Shocking.
> We are locked in to a corrupt global system.
Explanation needed.
> Our monetary policy is a slave to the global socialist monetary system.
Is the global government (United Nations?!) trying to own the means of production?
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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I think it's true that "for the average non-technical person (in the U.S.) it is probably more likely to get your money taken by a thief than if you had it in fiat currency in a bank." But I think you're locating the problem in the wrong part of the conjunction: the reason fiat currency in a US bank is more secure is because US banks are fairly secure, not because the fiat currency is secure. It seems like some sort…
> But I think you're locating the problem in the wrong part of the conjunction: the reason fiat currency in a US bank is more secure is because US banks are fairly secure, not because the fiat currency is secure. Fiat currency is secure in US banks because there is vast institutional protection for banks such as FDIC insurance and extremely strict laws against bank theft, the Federal Reserve, and so on. There are no…
> There are no such institutional protections for Bitcoin and there never really can be, by design.
This is nonsense. Bitcoin's design permits all the same institutional protections available for dollar bills or precious-metal coins, and additionally permits others that are enormously more secure than the mere incentive structures we must rely on in the case of dollar-based institutions. For example, a bank holding gold or dollars cannot produce a mathematical proof of its reserves as a Bitcoin bank can, and there is no dollar equivalent of multisig wallets.
So, in both cases, you are incorrectly imputing advantages to fiat currencies that in reality belong to Bitcoin in this comparison.
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> And Bitcoin lost over 90% of its value in just under 2 years. When do you mean? Right now Bitcoin is US$9400, which is almost exactly half of its all-time high value of US$19891 (in 2017). There are several times it has lost more than half of its value, but I don't remember a time when it has lost 90% of its value. The reason the dollar inflates and never deflates is that it's designed to inflate. On purpose. The u…
> we are all, for better or worse, participating in a radical large-scale experiment to test this hypothesis. Well if you have a suitably sound and accurate economic model that you’ve been secreting away, let us know and save us the time. Additionally, it’s not like it’s been exclusively Keynesian economics since the 70’s: there’s been a huge amount of neoliberal economics going around-do you not remember the popular…