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Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

#431
This article has several fatal flaws. The first one is that there is a loser in every transaction. Generally speaking, economic actors will only voluntarily engage in a mutually beneficial transaction. A person generally does not enter into a transaction where they are injured. To do so on a consistent basis is self-destructive. A shoe maker makes a shoe and sells it to me for a value greater than it costs to produce. I buy the shoe because the value of having my feet warm and protected is greater than the price of the shoe. We both win. The shoe maker would not sell a shoe for less than it costs to produce and stay a shoe maker for very long. I would not pay for a shoe that did not give me enough value.

The authors claim people make a "mistake". In a very small amount of transactions, this may be true, but you cannot base a model on every transaction containing a mistake. But let's look at the math. The authors use an example where every transaction that costs $1 nets either $1.2 or $.83. Over ten transactions, the net is less than $10. But this assumes that the person puts their whole net worth on every transaction. This is false. Each transaction costs a $1. So, the first one costs $1, and the second costs $1, etc. You cannot accumulate the past values of the previous transactions into the current one. This is the coin toss fallacy. If you flip a coin and get 99 heads in a row, the coin toss fallacy says the odds are greater the next flip will be tails. But, each flip is independent of the previous flips, so the 100th flip has a 50/50 chance of being tails, regardless of the results of the previous 99 tosses. So there is no "loser" in every transaction as the authors posit. Both parties win, or the transaction would not occur.

Their next claim is that becoming a billionaire is just "luck" and could happen randomly to anyone at any moment. Bill Gates is a billionaire because he created Microsoft. Mark Zuckerberg is a billionaire because he created Facebook. John Smith a fast food worker in Hoboken, Nebraska doesn't just wake up a billionaire one day by luck.

And what is bad about being a billionaire. Gates and Musk are doing wonderful things with their money that disbursing it to a million people would not accomplish. The authors never give a reason why income equality is bad. In fact, inequality is the natural order. They never mention the Pareto Principle, popularly manifested as the Bell Curve, which is found everywhere in nature.

The authors claim income equality is destabilizing and must be corrected by redistributing all the wealth in equal amounts. However, as stated, income inequality is the stabilized form. It might be increasing slightly now due to faster movement of information, but class mobility is highly dynamic. Yesterday's billionaires are not today's, and today's billionaires might not be tomorrow's. Income inequality is the stable distribution of scarce assets in a free market economy.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

#432

Of course inequality is inevitable. Some people are bigger/stronger/faster than others. They will naturally out-compete the others for resources. And once they have those resources, they will then use them to accumulate even more wealth, buy off politicians and institutions to siphon even more off, etc...

> Some people are bigger/stronger/faster than others.

Yes, and smarter/more driven/more socially adept too.

> They will naturally out-compete the others for resources

Only if they feel it is necessary to compete. A hungry animal will risk injury to for food. A sated animal rarely does.

> And once they have those resources, they will then use them to accumulate even more wealth, buy off politicians and institutions to siphon even more off

Only if their greed is boundless and unchecked.

I understand these cynical sentiments (having felt this way myself) but it is a product of the abnormal system we temporarily inhabit, not the inevitable or natural state of things.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Your bar is too low if you think that things are okay because "you can always become a starving artist".

More like “you can get a job and use the money you earn to buy tools.”

Unless the job you get doesn't provide enough money to buy these tools, or there is a general lack of labor opportunities. This is a reality for a large portion of the current population.

So it's not an innate ability to create value really that matters, it's the ability to navigate a system with many gatekeepers who have entrenched interests, and where not everyone is starting from the same spot, but we should pretend they are, and pretend that all wealth accumulated is justified. Let's not question the means to that wealth or its ramifications on society as a whole.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Many countries are creating clean water through desalination or reprocessing. Some countries have created land by building islands or reclaiming coastal shelf area. Natural resources available are increased by better tech making more available. So yeah, they’re less fixed than you think.

They really aren’t. We have no way to meaningfully increase the surface area of the earth, it’s fixed. Even if we were to drain the oceans entirely, you’re just kicking the can down the road (ignoring the fact we’d likely all die). Increasing our effectiveness removing natural resources doesn’t increase the amount on earth, so again, fixed. We will eventually run out. Desalination assumes that the ocean is clean wate…

You're moving the goalposts on land area. We can increase available land area (in your extreme scenario) by 200% without leaving the planet, and we're a lot closer to colonizing Mars than doing this.

We're so far off using anywhere near all of even the easily available natural resources on Earth that considering it as a limited quantity is fatuous. By the time we legitimately run out of materials on Earth we'll be able to colonize other planets or just create whatever we need through fusion and chemical synthesis.

Desalination for potable water includes filtration which removes microplastics along with everything else.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

#435
I find the creation of physics-inspired sociological models distasteful. It's often a way of manufacturing certainty and authority through mathematical obsfucation.

It always runs the same way. First, you think of some political opinion you want to support. Then you come up with a mathematically trivial toy model that throws away 99% of the structure of the problem, whose few dynamical rules are artificially chosen so that they obviously will produce the result you want. (Though this part may look intimidating, it's not once you know how the game is played; I can easily cook up a toy model that "proves" any given political opinion upon request.) Then you put a lot of energy into solving the model in all kinds of cases, showing off your mathematical skills.

The end result of all such social models is a set of predictions that are only tenuously linked to reality. A common example of such a claim is "X follows a power law". But the models are usually too weak to actually calculate the power in the power law, and the data too tenuous to even show you have a power law at all. (Most of the time this is done by showing a fuzzy cloud of points on a log-log plot with a tiny range, drawing a line through it (ignoring the fact that literally anything can be fit with a line if you zoom in enough) and declaring victory.)

The point of mathematics is to make your postulates and predictions precise. If your postulates are obviously unrealistic, and your predictions are too vague to be meaningful, then the mathematics isn't serving any purpose -- except for giving your work a false authority.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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I found it helpful. In a world where a million distracting influences are promising cheats, shortcuts, and easy ways to get to the goal, a single true statement to focus attention and wipe away the bullshit is incredibly useful.

Sugar and insulin response are critical to weight loss. The more overweight, the more you're insulin resistant, the harder it is to actually lose weight. Once you hit metabolic syndrome you've got a big problem on your hands. The CI-CO model is not sufficient to model weight loss effectively. Especially since with caloric restriction your BMR slows down to match your reduced intake (which doesn't happen with fasting,…

That's an extreme overgeneralization that's wrong in just the right places to be misleading. While there is a reduction in energy expenditure associated with the reduction of caloric intake, it is not equivalent to the reduction in caloric intake.

For instance, in a study of obese women, a reduction of (4.3 +-(4.6) kcal/kg) was observed in a calorie restriction diet of 20kcal/kg

Similarly, in a different study, a 30% calorie intake reduction was linked to only about a 5% reduction in total energy expenditure.

CI-CO is not a perfect model, in that it doesn't perfectly estimate weight loss rates, but the general concept holds true.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/85/1/73/4649429

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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It's not part of the model because, if you're studying how wealth gets distributed rather than how it is produced, it doesn't matter. I'm guessing that your disquiet at this notion comes from the possibility that everyone is creating their own wealth, and to some extent that is no doubt true. But if you start with the simplifying assumption that everyone's wealth creation ability is equal, and you just look at distri…

The power law you are describing happens in nature too. Size of trees in forest, mass of stars, ect. You can't go deep enough to dig up it's source, so you get carte blanch freedom to make the distribution arguments however you want. But until you dig up the cause for why the system produces a power law output for wealth distribution that has happened pretty much throughout history, under monarchies or capitalism or…

Size of trees can't save them from the savannah.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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More like “you can get a job and use the money you earn to buy tools.”

Unless the job you get doesn't provide enough money to buy these tools, or there is a general lack of labor opportunities. This is a reality for a large portion of the current population. So it's not an innate ability to create value really that matters, it's the ability to navigate a system with many gatekeepers who have entrenched interests, and where not everyone is starting from the same spot, but we should prete…

No, you can always start from scratch and make your own tools, invent your own techniques and products, etc. What you're seeing is that it's much much easier to get things if you work as part of the economy than if you go it alone. This is because the economy is already bootstrapped, through the work of countless millions of people who came before you. Nothing's stopping you from doing it yourself except for the fact that you don't want to because it's much harder to make things yourself than to get a job and then buy things.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

#439

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Isn't the low carb argument that for proteins more is passed and don't need to be burnt off, but for carbs almost all calories must be burnt off? How many calories do I take in and therefore must burn off thru exercise if I swallow a penny?

I think the low carb argument is that processed carbs mess with your blood sugar levels, making you hungrier, but the discourse around nutrition is messed up enough that there are many low carb arguments, some of them mutually contradictory. As for your penny, zero, unless I'm greatly mistaken, which is why pennies don't come with nutritional labels.

THE low carb argument is ketosis. That's not even controversial. If you look it up on Wikipedia, it's described in a very aseptic way, it just a basic fact of metabolism. If you look at low carbs diets articles instead, a cloud of disinformation appears.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

#440
The question is not how to reduce or cope with inequality. Rather, the question is: why is there wealth in the first place? Why have billions of people risen out of poverty over the last few centuries?
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