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3 of those 4 just seem... plain wrong? The first design of a general-purpose computer was obviously Babbage's. Wikipedia says work on it started in 1833, after the difference engine (already completed by 1822). He even developed two dozen programs for it between 1837-1840. He just ran into funding issues for his projects. Now if for some reason you feel an urge to hold an external issue like the lack of funding again…
I don't think they're particularly hard arguments to make. Turing is the easiest: What is a computer? What isn't a computer? If you can't answer that question, you don't have a computer. The Church-Turing thesis is the invention of the computer. Lovelace and Hopper are notable for paradigm shifts (as much as I hate the term) in what computers "are". Lovelace invented computers because the essence of the computer is t…
Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
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Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People with bias or prejudice often have difficulty seeing data that contradicts their desired view point. > [The article] explicitly provides the views from Peter Piot who admits he wrote out the African researcher and by the way, admits to racism. Uhhhh.... lol. A strict reading of the article would reveal that Piot never admits to racism (on his part) and admits to no attempt to "write out Muyembe". Piot accuses…
> when you lack the ability to read four sentences. please reread because I believe you've misread the sentences.
> Peter Piot who admits he wrote out the African researcher.
> Peter Piot who admits to racism.
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> But would the Congolese have had electron microscopes but for Belgian colonialism? > Probably yes. Probably not, if you understand how "non integrating gap countries" work.
Do you want to explain?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon%27s_New_Map
In most of these countries, often but not always with tribal backgrounds, it is "grab what you can".
Why is Africa corrupt? Why are they so far behind? Why don't they have good infrastructure, good education etc.?
South Korea was poorer than Ghana in 1957. Why are they rich today?
Trust me in one thing. The answers are unpleasant and especially unwelcome on Hackernews.
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#74> He took blood samples before she died and sent them to Belgium, where they had an electron microscope to try to identify the culprit. Scientists there and in the United States saw this was a new virus that caused hemorrhagic fever. I think the whole thing is more complicated than the article makes it out to be. Clearly, Muyembe should get credit for the field epidemiology and recognizing that this could be somethin…
> What does Belgium owe in terms of equipping it’s former colony to help themselves? Payback for the mass forced labor of Congolese to extract rubber? I don't even live in Belgium or the Congo and we learned about atrocities committed under Leopold II in school[0]. In particular Belgian colonial authorities would cut off the hands of those who failed to meet their rubber quota. > would the Congolese have had electron…
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you want to explain?
Most non-integrating gap countries have a very different background, values etc. None of them are very compatible with a modern industrial society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon%27s_New_Map In most of these countries, often but not always with tribal backgrounds, it is "grab what you can". Why is Africa corrupt? Why are they so far behind? Why don't they have good infrastructure, good education etc.? Sou…
It's true, none of us like the role that we and our often similarly-privileged ancestors have played in the systemic rape and plunder of entire continents, or the massive wealth that we still enjoy today as a result. Good callout :)
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
3 of those 4 just seem... plain wrong? The first design of a general-purpose computer was obviously Babbage's. Wikipedia says work on it started in 1833, after the difference engine (already completed by 1822). He even developed two dozen programs for it between 1837-1840. He just ran into funding issues for his projects. Now if for some reason you feel an urge to hold an external issue like the lack of funding again…
I don't think they're particularly hard arguments to make. Turing is the easiest: What is a computer? What isn't a computer? If you can't answer that question, you don't have a computer. The Church-Turing thesis is the invention of the computer. Lovelace and Hopper are notable for paradigm shifts (as much as I hate the term) in what computers "are". Lovelace invented computers because the essence of the computer is t…
I don't get this sentiment. So if we had the same devices we did nowadays, with all the same capabilities, but nobody had developed the theory behind computation... then we wouldn't actually have computers? Even though we could do exactly the same things as we do now?
Or heck, so this means even a modern layperson can't have computers? Because in order to have a computer they have to be able to define the Church-Turing thesis for you first? If I hand my laptop to my grandma then suddenly she has... what? An email-receiving brick with a touchscreen that somehow isn't a computer?
> Lovelace invented computers because [...]
No, what she's given credit for is being the first computer programmer (in our modern definitions). Now even that is disputed [1], but regardless, taking it at face value, that's what she gets credit for. Not for inventing the device she was using, but for tasks she realized she could use it for, which Babbage (allegedly?) did not realize.
> the essence of the computer is the ability to perform computations, not just calculations
I don't know if you can tease out a comprehensive definition for what exactly means here, because I don't think I can give a natural definition that would somehow pinpoint the credit to Lovelace rather than Babbage or Turing. Even if you look up what 'computation' means now, the dictionary will say something like "mathematical calculation". The only way I see to exclude 'calculation' from it seems to be to say "the ability to perform Turing-complete calculations", a formal notion which just didn't exist back then, so the credit for that wouldn't go to Lovelace.
> Hopper invented computers because a general-purpose computer is a computation machine with a human-friendly interface.
No, she's given (like you acknowledged) credit for making the first linker. Not the first computer. Nobody I've ever seen tries to argue she invented the first computer. Are these claims you actually hear in the real world?
> Before Hopper, computers were only ever programmed directly in machine code; every step of a computer program was a specific operation. Before A-0, we just had computation machines, but no human-centered interface. After A-0, we had computers.
Great, so the credit to give here would be that Hopper invented high-level programming languages (or something along those lines). Not that she just flat-out invented the computer!.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace#Controversy_over_...
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most non-integrating gap countries have a very different background, values etc. None of them are very compatible with a modern industrial society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon%27s_New_Map In most of these countries, often but not always with tribal backgrounds, it is "grab what you can". Why is Africa corrupt? Why are they so far behind? Why don't they have good infrastructure, good education etc.? Sou…
> Trust me in one thing. The answers are unpleasant and especially unwelcome on Hackernews. It's true, none of us like the role that we and our often similarly-privileged ancestors have played in the systemic rape and plunder of entire continents, or the massive wealth that we still enjoy today as a result. Good callout :)
I pity you and those that think this is somehow a bad thing. You seem so smug posting how awful this thing is, yet you enjoy all the privileges of that existence. You are posting this from most likely an air conditioned or heated room with running water, electricity, utilities, cheap food and fuel.
Since you are obviously so much more woke than the rest of us, perhaps you should leave this evil world created by overly privileged white men. I suggest you move somewhere in the middle east or africa and you actually put your words, thoughts and actions to the test.
What's that you say? You aren't going to do that? Then maybe you should stop whining about it online because clearly you aren't helping the situation in the slightest by putting your money where your mouth is (like all leftist evangelicals do).
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Trust me in one thing. The answers are unpleasant and especially unwelcome on Hackernews. It's true, none of us like the role that we and our often similarly-privileged ancestors have played in the systemic rape and plunder of entire continents, or the massive wealth that we still enjoy today as a result. Good callout :)
I can assure you there are those of that not only don't have the white guilt mentally damaged mental disease you claim everyone on the site shares with you, but I completely enjoy the fact that my ancestors were intelligent enough to actually think ahead enough to set up their later generations to be more successful and wealthier than them. I pity you and those that think this is somehow a bad thing. You seem so smug…
Carefully, they're a hero.
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#79On the one hand, this is the classic story of colonialism: that the "winners" write the history books. There are likely thousands of stories like this, not the least of which in the woefully exploited African continent. On the other hand, "discovery" is a nebulous term, and plenty of discoveries have inconclusive origins. Why would we call this doctor the discoverer and not the first hospital workers to encounter the…
Your argument is valid, but I would like to point out that without context it reads as if the article and the Congolese doctor in question do not acknowledge this. However, they do: > The discovery, says Muyembe, was thanks to a "consortium of research." But Google "Who discovered Ebola?" and you get a bunch of names — all of them white Western males. Dr. Jean Jacques Muyembe has been written out of history. "Yes, bu…
Re: Congolese doctor discovered Ebola, but didn't get credit until now
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> when you lack the ability to read four sentences. please reread because I believe you've misread the sentences.
Please defend these claims: > Peter Piot who admits he wrote out the African researcher. > Peter Piot who admits to racism.
"I think that's a fair comment," he says
what was your comprehension of those sentences?