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Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Of course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level of existing wealth.

You're assuming capitalism, which isn't listed as an assumption with the question posed.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Have there been any efforts to quantify what level of inequality is reasonable? For instance, the GINI coefficient ranges between 0 and 1, where 0 means everyone has the same amount, and 1 means one person at the top has everything. Depending on how it's measured, the US is somewhere between 0.4 and 0.5. You don't want to be at either extreme, so some level of inequality is desirable. Is there an appropriate amount o…

Why shouldn't the coefficient be zero? I'm curious what your reasoning is.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Have there been any efforts to quantify what level of inequality is reasonable? For instance, the GINI coefficient ranges between 0 and 1, where 0 means everyone has the same amount, and 1 means one person at the top has everything. Depending on how it's measured, the US is somewhere between 0.4 and 0.5. You don't want to be at either extreme, so some level of inequality is desirable. Is there an appropriate amount o…

Do we know what the number was in the 1950s? Back then housing was more affordable relative to income and CEO salaries were lower compared to the average.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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post #5

Of course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level of existing wealth.

If course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level OF EFFORT. Even a wealthy person can lose their money if they don't make an effort investing it properly. How do people build wealth from the ground up? They work hard each and every day and that effort COMPOUNDS. They get smarter, more opportunities present themselves…

You're assuming a world without parents. What an odd world. How do people come to be?

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level OF EFFORT. Even a wealthy person can lose their money if they don't make an effort investing it properly. How do people build wealth from the ground up? They work hard each and every day and that effort COMPOUNDS. They get smarter, more opportunities present themselves…

Classic. Poor people just aren't working hard enough!

How did you get the computer you're writing on, if not by the method described above?

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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post #5

Of course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level of existing wealth.

If course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level OF EFFORT. Even a wealthy person can lose their money if they don't make an effort investing it properly. How do people build wealth from the ground up? They work hard each and every day and that effort COMPOUNDS. They get smarter, more opportunities present themselves…

But "investing" is just rent-seeking from other people doing actual work. Literally it's taking a portion of the profits of someone else's labour in exchange for access to your capital.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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post #5

Of course it is...it's a natural consequence of compound interest. One's ability to accumulate additional wealth scales exponentially with their level of existing wealth.

for sure, but you're missing the tax avoidance bit. Without tax avoidance, compound interest does nothing at most reasonable levels of r and t.

I don't follow your logic. Compound interest grows capital exponentially, while taxation is linear. So, while tax avoidance helps, it's not necessary.

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Have there been any efforts to quantify what level of inequality is reasonable? For instance, the GINI coefficient ranges between 0 and 1, where 0 means everyone has the same amount, and 1 means one person at the top has everything. Depending on how it's measured, the US is somewhere between 0.4 and 0.5. You don't want to be at either extreme, so some level of inequality is desirable. Is there an appropriate amount o…

Why shouldn't the coefficient be zero? I'm curious what your reasoning is.

I'm more reflecting the general consensus. That's communism, which is generally seen as a failed economic system, and difficult to practically enforce. Although maybe that all changes in a post-scarcity economy, like is Star Trek technically communist? Should the goal actually be GINI-0?

Re: Is Inequality Inevitable?

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Have there been any efforts to quantify what level of inequality is reasonable? For instance, the GINI coefficient ranges between 0 and 1, where 0 means everyone has the same amount, and 1 means one person at the top has everything. Depending on how it's measured, the US is somewhere between 0.4 and 0.5. You don't want to be at either extreme, so some level of inequality is desirable. Is there an appropriate amount o…

I believe the original 80/20 pareto principle was one of the first quantified observations of exactly the phenomenon of wealth distribution.

So the natural stable distribution of that dynamic system is certainly some type of power law, aka Pareto Distribution. It will almost certainly always trend towards such a distribution given its historical efficacy. The question then is, at what alpha value do we achieve some desired outcome?

I like this line of thinking, and I'd like to see GINI index or the Pareto distribution alpha value tested as a predictive economic indicator for things like growth.

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