Live data from Hacker News

SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

bloomberg.com

41–50 of 83 posts

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#41
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can subscribe to his newsletter and receive them daily to your inbox. I don't think he writes any articles outside of Money Stuff.

Thanks. Bloomberg has a $1.99 3 month subscription deal. I’ll try it for a few months and see for myself.

Pretty sure you will have hard time canceling it.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#42
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add to that the global "QE" programs which are driving up equities even higher. This whole system seems to act synergistically now, perpetually driving stocks higher and higher. Will it collapse altogether (and when)? Who knows

History is full of examples of over priced bubble assets that have eventually collapsed. So I don't think the questions is will it collapse but instead when will it collapse?

> "that cheap keep flowing"

Well. with ECB ending its QE program it's perhaps time to stock up some umbrellas

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#43
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. Bloomberg has a $1.99 3 month subscription deal. I’ll try it for a few months and see for myself.

Pretty sure you will have hard time canceling it.

DoNotPay will help with that.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#44
post #29
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add to that the global "QE" programs which are driving up equities even higher. This whole system seems to act synergistically now, perpetually driving stocks higher and higher. Will it collapse altogether (and when)? Who knows

History is full of examples of over priced bubble assets that have eventually collapsed. So I don't think the questions is will it collapse but instead when will it collapse?

When investors want or need their capital back. Lending is so cheap right now that it probably makes mores sense to keep borrowing rather than liquidate a poor investment at a loss. So I think the equities bubble is going to continue until the lending well runs dry (which could be decades).

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#45
post #36

Side note, is a Bloomberg subscription worth it? I’m looking to get a subscription and a lot of their articles are great. Especially ones by Matt Levine.

You can get Money Stuff emailed to you daily, at about noon eastern, without any Bloomberg subscription.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#46
post #39

$6.5B is the recognized loss, i.e., the lowest possible amount they can get away writing off on their accounting books. The real economic loss may be much higher.

To agree with this. As someone with more of a general economic and metrics background, I was quite amazed when I first learned of the breadth of possible valuation methods IFRS (International Financial Reporting Standards) allows for. Some are pretty close to what you'd expect for the valuation of a financial instrument (after all, equity is one of those), while some are 'pretty far away'.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#47
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can subscribe to his newsletter and receive them daily to your inbox. I don't think he writes any articles outside of Money Stuff.

Thanks. Bloomberg has a $1.99 3 month subscription deal. I’ll try it for a few months and see for myself.

Echoing the other comment, be careful. They probably make it extremely painful to end the subscription after the trial. It once took me well over an hour to end a trial subscription to the economist.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#48

It's refreshing to see that the financial Shenanigans SoftBank was playing with WeWork and even Uber backfired like that in the end. Manipulating pre-IPO valuations as aggressively as they did was just insane.

Manipulating pre-IPO valuations as aggressively as they did was just insane

Never forget the endgame was to dump it at the inflated valuation on retail investors and pension funds. This was a heist on the scale of Madoff, if they pulled it off.

Re: SoftBank Reveals $6.5B Loss from Uber, WeWork Turmoil

#50
post #39

$6.5B is the recognized loss, i.e., the lowest possible amount they can get away writing off on their accounting books. The real economic loss may be much higher.

What is a "real economic loss"?

A real economic loss is a realized loss. As long as Uber and WeWork are not closed down, their future performance is hard to predict. Uber especially is not a bad company. I love them. And if you have used Uber you ask yourself, how could you have tolerated the taxi clusterfuck so long.

Post reply on HN